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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Moochava" data-source="post: 4092579" data-attributes="member: 39691">The thing is, 4E's model might be lame in theory--when we argue about it here on the Internet--but 3E's model is lame in practice--what actually happens at the table when you get a trip-spammer. I don't care how many arguments I can generate on ENWorld or RPGnet or DarpaNet about how dumb it is for a cat to kill a commoner, because in my games a cat has never fought a commoner. It's never happened. I can comfortably say it never will happen. Nor will I ever, ever have a fight against turtle-men that can't get up once they've been knocked down, but since they're mind-controlled you can't just kill them.These contrived events, these gamer gedankenexperiments, don't happen at the table, and all I care about is what happens at the table. Likewise, I don't care if, here on ENWorld, we can come up with all sorts of "wacky tripping scenarios" for 4E (or "wacky falling then getting poisoned and then healing naturally scenarios" in every edition of the game)--I only care if I can make it sound good at the table. From everything I've gathered, it sounds like I can, so I'm not going to worry about the philosophical purity of the rules.</blockquote>