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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 4096174" data-attributes="member: 5143">And I disagree.&nbsp; 3.5e is giving me a headache running.&nbsp; When running a game with my players it almost always sounds like this:Me: &quot;It's your turn paladin.&quot;Paladin: &quot;Alright.&nbsp; I could charge the enemy...&quot;Me: &quot;No, you can't, there is no straight line to it.&quot;Paladin: &quot;Ok, well, I can reach it in a single move if I just move...this way..&quot;Me: &quot;No, you can't do a diagonal move around a corner, and you took 2 diagonal moves at any rate, the second one is 10 feet remember?&quot;Paladin: &quot;Oh, right...well, I can move THIS way and get to him in a single move.&quot;Me: &quot;Yes you can, but you'll provoke from this guy here as you move.&quot;Paladin: &quot;Oh, yeah...I forgot about that.&nbsp; Well, maybe I'll pull out my bow and attack from here.&nbsp; I get 2 attacks...&quot;Wizard: &quot;Don't forget, you get one more for haste.&quot;Paladin: &quot;Right!&nbsp; THREE attacks...&quot;Me: &quot;That would be correct, however you drew you bow as a move action so you only get one attack.&quot;Paladin: &quot;But I still get an extra for haste, right?&quot;Me: &quot;No, haste only applies when you take the full attack action.&quot;Paladin: &quot;Well, that sucks...it's not worth it...I might as well just provoke the AOO and get into melee with it.&quot;Me: &quot;Well, the AOO misses.&nbsp; He needed a natural 20 to hit you.&quot;Paladin: &quot;Ok, I grapple him.&quot;Me: &quot;That provokes if you don't have Improved Grapple.&quot;Paladin: &quot;I don't care.&quot;Me: &quot;Ok, he hits for 4 damage.&nbsp; Your grapple fails.&quot;Paladin: &quot;What?&nbsp; I haven't even rolled yet.&quot;Me: &quot;If you get hit with the AOO from trying to grapple, it automatically stops the attempt.&quot;Paladin: &quot;Well, I didn't know that.&nbsp; I wouldn't have tried to grapple if I knew that.&quot;Me: &quot;Fine, what are you doing instead of grappling then?&quot;Paladin: &quot;I smite him.&quot;Me: &quot;He isn't Evil, so don't apply the bonuses.&quot;That against the equivalent in 4e:Paladin: &quot;I spend a move action to move in range and I use my standard action to Punishing Smite(names made up).&quot;Me: &quot;That provokes an OA from moving past this one.&quot;Paladin: &quot;I don't have any good ranged attacks and I need to be up in melee to encourage the enemy to attack me, so I'll take it.&quot;Me: &quot;It hits AC 19 for 8 damage.&quot;Paladin: &quot;Ok.&nbsp; I roll 19 against will on my attack.&quot;Me: &quot;That hits.&quot;Paladin: &quot;I do 13 damage and he's stunned until the end of my next turn.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 4096174, member: 5143"] And I disagree. 3.5e is giving me a headache running. When running a game with my players it almost always sounds like this: Me: "It's your turn paladin." Paladin: "Alright. I could charge the enemy..." Me: "No, you can't, there is no straight line to it." Paladin: "Ok, well, I can reach it in a single move if I just move...this way.." Me: "No, you can't do a diagonal move around a corner, and you took 2 diagonal moves at any rate, the second one is 10 feet remember?" Paladin: "Oh, right...well, I can move THIS way and get to him in a single move." Me: "Yes you can, but you'll provoke from this guy here as you move." Paladin: "Oh, yeah...I forgot about that. Well, maybe I'll pull out my bow and attack from here. I get 2 attacks..." Wizard: "Don't forget, you get one more for haste." Paladin: "Right! THREE attacks..." Me: "That would be correct, however you drew you bow as a move action so you only get one attack." Paladin: "But I still get an extra for haste, right?" Me: "No, haste only applies when you take the full attack action." Paladin: "Well, that sucks...it's not worth it...I might as well just provoke the AOO and get into melee with it." Me: "Well, the AOO misses. He needed a natural 20 to hit you." Paladin: "Ok, I grapple him." Me: "That provokes if you don't have Improved Grapple." Paladin: "I don't care." Me: "Ok, he hits for 4 damage. Your grapple fails." Paladin: "What? I haven't even rolled yet." Me: "If you get hit with the AOO from trying to grapple, it automatically stops the attempt." Paladin: "Well, I didn't know that. I wouldn't have tried to grapple if I knew that." Me: "Fine, what are you doing instead of grappling then?" Paladin: "I smite him." Me: "He isn't Evil, so don't apply the bonuses." That against the equivalent in 4e: Paladin: "I spend a move action to move in range and I use my standard action to Punishing Smite(names made up)." Me: "That provokes an OA from moving past this one." Paladin: "I don't have any good ranged attacks and I need to be up in melee to encourage the enemy to attack me, so I'll take it." Me: "It hits AC 19 for 8 damage." Paladin: "Ok. I roll 19 against will on my attack." Me: "That hits." Paladin: "I do 13 damage and he's stunned until the end of my next turn." [/QUOTE]

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