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Message: <blockquote data-quote="moritheil" data-source="post: 2462814" data-attributes="member: 30610">My intent here was not originally to argue against you, just to see if you had a neat rationalization for explaining what physically (or metaphysically) happens when you claim TWD without taking the TWF penalties - a fact you seem to have entirely missed.  However, I'll respond to your last post, even though you casually ignored the fact that I did answer your question a while back.  (See proof above.)I saw where this was going a while back, and I have no problem with it.  So he gets one free round of non-penalized TWF - so what?  That's his reward for burning a feat and taking Quick Draw.  Thereafter he either takes the TWF penalties or ceases to wield one of the swords.  As you said, there are no bouncing weapons, and I wouldn't allow someone to create the property IMC.IUS: I covered this in great detail, suggesting that IUS is handled as it is because you don't physically remove your limbs from your body in the way that you can set a sword down.Ring: A ring is not a weapon.  It is not being held or wielded.  I do not see the point of this argument - using a ring with shocking grasp would be resolved as if you had cast shocking grasp.</blockquote>