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Message: <blockquote data-quote="glass" data-source="post: 2463220" data-attributes="member: 12251">You know what, I can't find it in the SRD. But since the only person who has said you can have the extra attack without taking the penalties is Moritheil, what does that have to do with Hyp or me? Why are you asking me to prove something we agree on?I see nothing there (or in the rest of the list) that suggests Hyp thinks you could get the extra attack without taking the penalties, any more than I did when I read the actual posts. I may of been a little hasty in accusing you of a bait and switch. I apologise.I'd be surprised if Hyp actually thought the answer was B (EDIT: As I was interpretting B at the time, see below), and said so.Agreed.Premise B, as distinct from Premise (2) in the previous paragraph, seemed to have an implied ability to attack with two weapons despite not fighting with two weapons. If that was unintentional than I apologise for reading more into your post than was there. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh    :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> Without that implication, I have no problem agreeing with Premise B (and as you have demonstrated, neither does Hyp). However, without that implication, our agreeing with Premise B no longer equates to our agreeing with your previous argumants.No. Maybe it would help if I restated what my position actually is:'Fight this way' refers to fighting with two weapons. At any time you are fighting with two weapons, you take the relevant penalties. If you are fighting with two weapons, you may claim and extra attack with your off hand, although you are not required to do so. However, you may never claim and extra attack for fighting with two weapons if you are not actually fighting with two weapons.If you are fighting with two weapons, you have no choice: you take the penalties. If you are not, you may (probably <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) take the penalties in advance to keep the option of fighting with two weapons open.If you do not exercise this option (or if I am mistaken about it being an option), then you cannot fight with two weapons that round, and therefore cannot claim the extra attack.glass.</blockquote>

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