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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 2464473" data-attributes="member: 1656">Wow - I've just spent two pages arguing without making a single post!Okay."If you get more than one attack per round because your base attack bonus is high enough, because you fight with two weapons or a double weapon or for some special reason you must use a full-round action to get your additional attacks."If you're not 'fighting this way' - wielding a second weapon in your off-hand - when you take your full attack action, you don't qualify for the extra attack with the off-hand weapon.So this is what I understand Jeff Wilder to be calling premise 2.1st level warrior attacks with a longsword and quick-draws a shortsword.  He attacked without penalty, so he is prohibited from wielding a second weapon in his off-hand.  He can only wield one weapon, since no penalty was applied.  Per the Gruntharg example in the 3E Main FAQ, he can take a free action to stop wielding his longsword, and a free action to wield the shortsword he is holding, if he likes... he just can't wield both at once.6th level warrior attacks with a longsword (at +6) and quick-draws a shortsword.  He took no penalty, so he is prohibited from wielding two weapons; by Gruntharg's Law, he can cease wielding the longsword and wield the shortsword as two free actions, making his second attack with the shortsword at +1 (with a -4 penalty for an attack with his off hand, per the PHB Glossary).In neither case does the warrior qualify for an extra attack with his off-hand, as he is not 'fighting this way'.Regarding Fighting Defensively - "Can you fight defensively, taking the -4 penalty to attack before you're engaged in melee or ranged combat?"You can Fight Defensively when you take the attack action or the full attack action.  You can't Fight Defensively, move 30 feet, and then attack; you would have to move 30 feet, and then attack while Fighting Defensively.Combat Expertise is even more restrictive; you can only use it when you take the attack action or full attack action in melee.  (Two characters are engaged in melee when they are enemies of each other and either threatens the other; accordingly, you can use Combat Expertise when you shoot the orc with your longbow, but only if you're within five feet of his greataxe...)-Hyp.</blockquote>

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