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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5382047" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, again, Bluenose, everything you've listed off is fantastic for an NPC.&nbsp; For a PC, it's useless.&nbsp; Oooh, I can get information from the DM.&nbsp; Ooo, I can raise armies of minions, which means I'm going to have to control umpteen bajillion NPC's.&nbsp; Great for NPC's.&nbsp; Terrible for PC's.Me, I'd rather my PC modeled after Doctor Strange, or Quick Ben from the Steven Erikson Malatzan books, or any number of other wizard types that don't sit and direct from the back.By the way, when I mentioned Conan in a Harry Potter universe, people jumped on the idea of Conan VS Harry Potter.&nbsp; That wasn't what I meant at all actually.&nbsp; It's not that Conan could or could not defeat Harry Potter, it's that, in a Harry Potter universe, Conan is utterly useless many times.How does Conan deal with a Dementor, for example?&nbsp; He can't see it or hurt it in any way.&nbsp; Yet the Dementor can certainly kill him.&nbsp; And that's what happens in D&amp;D.&nbsp; So many of the baddies can stomp all over the fighter.&nbsp; The fighter needs the casters just to be able to fight them.&nbsp; Incorporeal undead, for example.&nbsp; In earlier editions, if you didn't have the right plus, you died.&nbsp; In 3e, you still have a huge amount of problems.&nbsp; Particularly if the undead can fly and have fly by attack.&nbsp; Never mind things like swarms.&nbsp; Or anything rather large with improved grab (which is pretty much everything huge it seems sometimes).&nbsp; Oops, no fly or free action?&nbsp; You die.&nbsp; Teamwork is great and I'm all for teamwork.&nbsp; But the rules shouldn't require one class to be propped up by another one in order to get basic functionality.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5382047, member: 22779"] But, again, Bluenose, everything you've listed off is fantastic for an NPC. For a PC, it's useless. Oooh, I can get information from the DM. Ooo, I can raise armies of minions, which means I'm going to have to control umpteen bajillion NPC's. Great for NPC's. Terrible for PC's. Me, I'd rather my PC modeled after Doctor Strange, or Quick Ben from the Steven Erikson Malatzan books, or any number of other wizard types that don't sit and direct from the back. By the way, when I mentioned Conan in a Harry Potter universe, people jumped on the idea of Conan VS Harry Potter. That wasn't what I meant at all actually. It's not that Conan could or could not defeat Harry Potter, it's that, in a Harry Potter universe, Conan is utterly useless many times. How does Conan deal with a Dementor, for example? He can't see it or hurt it in any way. Yet the Dementor can certainly kill him. And that's what happens in D&D. So many of the baddies can stomp all over the fighter. The fighter needs the casters just to be able to fight them. Incorporeal undead, for example. In earlier editions, if you didn't have the right plus, you died. In 3e, you still have a huge amount of problems. Particularly if the undead can fly and have fly by attack. Never mind things like swarms. Or anything rather large with improved grab (which is pretty much everything huge it seems sometimes). Oops, no fly or free action? You die. Teamwork is great and I'm all for teamwork. But the rules shouldn't require one class to be propped up by another one in order to get basic functionality. [/QUOTE]

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