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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 2514871" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>Which is one of the losses in 3e compared to 2e. In the name of 'simplification' we've lost all of that flavor and detail. Now you kill them and they're dead, end of story. Previously it wasn't so cut and dry, with some of them simply slowly reforming back on their home plane if killed outside of it, the chance of that, and the time it took depending on their race and how powerful they were, etc.</p><p></p><p>Also the reproduction of fiends hasn't been detailed in 3e to the extent that 2e did. <em>'Faces of Evil: The Fiends'</em> was just a brilliant book. [Simplification]Tanar'ri breed or form manes from petitioners, Yugoloths form spontaneously from the raw substance of their natives plane(s)[nycaloths and arcanaloths can breed among themselves, ultroloths can birth arcanaloths by parthanogenesis], and rank and file Baatezu exclusively convert petitioners into their numbers as lemures.[/Simplification]</p><p></p><p>3e just hasn't touched on the topic, and I seriously doubt that it will in the current edition with the current design philosophy for WotC products.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Mortals are weak, evil is tempting and beguiling, and as evil souls fill the metaphorical coffers of the lower planes and evil in the abstract fills the hearts of mortals, the lower planes will wax and grow in power and number of their scions. If you can say in the spirit of old Xmas movies that 'every time a bell rings an angel gets their wings', you can also in DnD say that well every time you tell a lie and cause another harm out of selfish desire, a yugoloth is belched forth from the Gray Waste or Gehenna.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They're fun, largely for the complex and at times conflicting inner natures that they have bubbling around inside of them at a basic level. I don't have a problem with them breeding amongst themselves, but the interplay of some bloodlines may cause unintentional results or simply not allow for viable offspring in some cases (decided on a case by case basis).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 2514871, member: 11697"] Which is one of the losses in 3e compared to 2e. In the name of 'simplification' we've lost all of that flavor and detail. Now you kill them and they're dead, end of story. Previously it wasn't so cut and dry, with some of them simply slowly reforming back on their home plane if killed outside of it, the chance of that, and the time it took depending on their race and how powerful they were, etc. Also the reproduction of fiends hasn't been detailed in 3e to the extent that 2e did. [i]'Faces of Evil: The Fiends'[/i] was just a brilliant book. [Simplification]Tanar'ri breed or form manes from petitioners, Yugoloths form spontaneously from the raw substance of their natives plane(s)[nycaloths and arcanaloths can breed among themselves, ultroloths can birth arcanaloths by parthanogenesis], and rank and file Baatezu exclusively convert petitioners into their numbers as lemures.[/Simplification] 3e just hasn't touched on the topic, and I seriously doubt that it will in the current edition with the current design philosophy for WotC products. Mortals are weak, evil is tempting and beguiling, and as evil souls fill the metaphorical coffers of the lower planes and evil in the abstract fills the hearts of mortals, the lower planes will wax and grow in power and number of their scions. If you can say in the spirit of old Xmas movies that 'every time a bell rings an angel gets their wings', you can also in DnD say that well every time you tell a lie and cause another harm out of selfish desire, a yugoloth is belched forth from the Gray Waste or Gehenna. They're fun, largely for the complex and at times conflicting inner natures that they have bubbling around inside of them at a basic level. I don't have a problem with them breeding amongst themselves, but the interplay of some bloodlines may cause unintentional results or simply not allow for viable offspring in some cases (decided on a case by case basis). [/QUOTE]
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