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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 2521268" data-attributes="member: 11697">Double predestination gives you a way out of this though and preserves free will and God knowing it all ahead of time.Genetic influence upon complex behavior. What's that sound? A social scientist crying, just ignore them. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Troubling thought isn't it... unless there does exist true random action in the universe to prevent such a mechanistic and coldly predetermined world from being reality. If there's any type of quantum level basis for consciousness (which is unlikely, we're a bit too warm and wet for that) that gives us a bit of true randomness to allow for free will.</blockquote>