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<blockquote data-quote="JoeNotCharles" data-source="post: 5075033" data-attributes="member: 79945">Ok.&nbsp; So you gave them a mission, and they ignored it.&nbsp; Don't give them any treasure or quest XP.&nbsp; They failed.&nbsp; Their fault.Why the hell are you coddling these people?&nbsp; It's much harded to kill a PC then you think it is.&nbsp; Do it like this:- You can wear light armour when you sleep.&nbsp; Heavy armour is too uncomfortable so you can &quot;sleep&quot; but you don't regain powers or healing surges, because it wasn't restful enough.&nbsp; (Unless you're a warforged using component armour.)- If the person on guard makes their Perception check by more than 5, you have enough warning to wake up and grab your weapons, and combat proceeds normally, except that most people aren't wearing heavy armour.- If they make it by less than 5, they are awake but everyone who wasn't on guard begins the combat prone and dazed because they're still waking up- If they miss it, the enemies gain surprise and the sleeping players are unconscious during the surprise round, then prone and dazed for the first round after that.Being dazed for one round isn't going to kill anybody.&nbsp; Being unconscious for a round is going to put the PC's at a disadvantage, but it won't directly kill anyone unless you, the DM, choose to have the attackers move to the sleeping characters and coup-de-grace.&nbsp; Which, if they've ignored all your warnings about being in a dangerous area and possibly attacked during the night, is entirely appropriate.Their actions have to have consequences.&nbsp; Deciding that constantly being at full strength is more important than hitting your deadline is a valid tactical choice.&nbsp; It's also the wrong one in many circumstances, so if they do that, they should fail.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JoeNotCharles, post: 5075033, member: 79945"] Ok. So you gave them a mission, and they ignored it. Don't give them any treasure or quest XP. They failed. Their fault. Why the hell are you coddling these people? It's much harded to kill a PC then you think it is. Do it like this: - You can wear light armour when you sleep. Heavy armour is too uncomfortable so you can "sleep" but you don't regain powers or healing surges, because it wasn't restful enough. (Unless you're a warforged using component armour.) - If the person on guard makes their Perception check by more than 5, you have enough warning to wake up and grab your weapons, and combat proceeds normally, except that most people aren't wearing heavy armour. - If they make it by less than 5, they are awake but everyone who wasn't on guard begins the combat prone and dazed because they're still waking up - If they miss it, the enemies gain surprise and the sleeping players are unconscious during the surprise round, then prone and dazed for the first round after that. Being dazed for one round isn't going to kill anybody. Being unconscious for a round is going to put the PC's at a disadvantage, but it won't directly kill anyone unless you, the DM, choose to have the attackers move to the sleeping characters and coup-de-grace. Which, if they've ignored all your warnings about being in a dangerous area and possibly attacked during the night, is entirely appropriate. Their actions have to have consequences. Deciding that constantly being at full strength is more important than hitting your deadline is a valid tactical choice. It's also the wrong one in many circumstances, so if they do that, they should fail. [/QUOTE]

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