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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9857221" data-attributes="member: 18">Yeah the second point is the huge issue.The whole thing is very firmly Gygax and Arneson's own stupid fault. They're both worthy of significant criticism for creating the whole situation.True Neutral made sense when the Cosmic Forces were Chaos and Law, neither of which was inherently &quot;good&quot; or &quot;evil&quot; in a relative human sense, and some of which are required for a society to function, for freedom to exist meaningfully, for people to live their lives.Whereas in any even vaguely conventional-adjacent definition of Good/Evil doesn't work remotely the same way. You have to start coming up with truly demented visions of what Good/Evil mean to try and argue opposing anyone doing &quot;too much&quot; Good is sane in the sane way too much Law might kind of obviously be. Gygax and Arneson also totally failed to provide a vision of what an all-Good or all-Evil universe would look like (particularly where both were negative and to be avoided), whereas Moorcock did provide ones for Chaos and Law.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9857221, member: 18"] Yeah the second point is the huge issue. The whole thing is very firmly Gygax and Arneson's own stupid fault. They're both worthy of significant criticism for creating the whole situation. True Neutral made sense when the Cosmic Forces were Chaos and Law, neither of which was inherently "good" or "evil" in a relative human sense, and some of which are required for a society to function, for freedom to exist meaningfully, for people to live their lives. Whereas in any even vaguely conventional-adjacent definition of Good/Evil doesn't work remotely the same way. You have to start coming up with truly demented visions of what Good/Evil mean to try and argue opposing anyone doing "too much" Good is sane in the sane way too much Law might kind of obviously be. Gygax and Arneson also totally failed to provide a vision of what an all-Good or all-Evil universe would look like (particularly where both were negative and to be avoided), whereas Moorcock did provide ones for Chaos and Law. [/QUOTE]

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