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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bohandas" data-source="post: 9858954" data-attributes="member: 7015707">There's this, and there's also the converse. If we go the other way and make good too idealized then it becomes unable to defend itself of accomplish anything.Tangentially, I recently remembered something like an argument for neutrality that I encountered in a scientific source. Chapters 10 and 12 of The Selfish Gene deal with the iterated prisoner's dilemma as it relates to modeling evolutionary strategies; here is chapter 12's summary of chapter 10:"Remember the Grudgers of Chapter 10. These were birds that helped each other in an apparently altruistic way, but refused to help—bore a grudge against—individuals that had previously refused to help them. Grudgers came to dominate the population because they passed on more genes to future generations than either Suckers (who helped others indiscriminately, and were exploited) or Cheats (who tried ruthlessly to exploit everybody and ended up doing each other down)."Now my issue with this and with a lot of how 3e handles alignments, seperate from any neutrality related concerns, is that it forgets that the Great Wheel is supposed to be a wheel. LE or LG are not any further from Neutral then LN is. The wheel is round and equally valid in any orientation.</blockquote>