True resurrection and the zombie

[FreeTheSlaves]

Okay, here is a good one for you all. Say a man is killed and his corpse is animated as a zombie, can he be True Resurrected without first destroying the zombie?

 

[Hypersmurf]

You can revive someone killed by a death effect or someone who has been turned into an undead creature and then destroyed.

-Hyp.

 

[FreeTheSlaves]

I agree Hypersmurf, but the issue at hand is can the dead man be true resurrected without having first destroyed the undead zombie?

Oh yeah, just added a poll for community concensus.

 

[Thanee]

Well, technically yes, but still voted no, because you probably mean it without any other step in between.

Bye
Thanee

 

[FreeTheSlaves]

To be fair, the argument I have encountered is that the corpse ceases to be the dead person's possession and is considered an object. At that point, the resulting zombie has no connection to the dead person and thus the animated body plays no part in the true resurrection.

 

[Thanee]

It doesn't matter according to the rules, there is no difference between mindless and intelligent undead there.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Starglim]

True resurrection can bring back a creature whose body has been destroyed if the caster identifies the deceased, etc. If the creature's body has not been destroyed, that clause doesn't apply, and the target is the same as raise dead, that is, a dead creature touched. An undead is not a dead creature. See the glossary definition of "dead": an undead clearly does not satisfy it.

Also what Hypersmurf quoted.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

True resurrection can bring back a creature whose body has been destroyed if the caster identifies the deceased, etc. If the creature's body has not been destroyed, that clause doesn't apply, and the target is the same as raise dead, that is, a dead creature touched. An undead is not a dead creature. See the glossary definition of "dead": an undead clearly does not satisfy it.

I tend to disagree with this point. If a dead man's body is swallowed up in the earth and unreachable, but still exists, I think True Resurrection can still bring him back. It doesn't require a body, whether that body exists or not.

But the spell seems to clearly state that an undead creature needs to be destroyed, before the original person can be brought back. So an existing undead creature created from the target does indeed foil True Resurrection.

 

[RandomPrecision]

From the SRD:

You can revive someone killed by a death effect or someone who has been turned into an undead creature and then destroyed. This spell can also resurrect elementals or outsiders, but it can’t resurrect constructs or undead creatures.

I'd have to say no. If you kill the undead creature, then it's fair game for resurrection.

 

[ThirdWizard]

True resurrection can bring back a creature whose body has been destroyed if the caster identifies the deceased, etc. If the creature's body has not been destroyed, that clause doesn't apply, and the target is the same as raise dead, that is, a dead creature touched.

I agree. Range: Touch, with a clause that says if there is no body it can still work.

Not many people seem to be able to accept that, though. Every time I bring it up, everyone disagrees but offers no reasoning behind their interprietation. =/