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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 156150" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>It’s divination magic IB. If there is nothing there, you won’t hit anything. If something is there, then your chances of hitting are greatly enhanced by the divination.</p><p></p><p>How can you target an invisible character when casting a Lightning Bolt spell? Either you will hit, or you will not.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The same as all HOW questions about how does the magic work.</p><p></p><p>How does True Strike allow you to hit a displaced character? How does the spell read into the future and know where the target truly is located? Displacement is a glamer just like Invisibility. Effectively, you are invisible in your true location and an image of you appears nearby.</p><p></p><p>The fact is that HOW the magic works is basically irrelevant.</p><p></p><p>The counter positions on this topic tend to revolve about how the magic works. How do you even know the invisible target is there? How do you target him if you if you either do not know where he is or even that he exists at all? Well, because you cast a divination spell. If there are multiple invisible targets, which one gets selected? Well, that is a DM call. If you state the invisible guy that was near the rock a moment ago, the DM might have you hit that one. Or, he might randomly roll. Or, choose some other criteria.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It’s not a bizarre definition of the phrase “Miss Chance”. It is the text in the column of the table.</p><p></p><p>Same discussion as whether a Shield is Armor.</p><p></p><p>Well, it is listed in Table 7-5: Armor. That makes it armor to me.</p><p></p><p>Same as Table 8-1: Fundamental Actions in Combat. In the Attack of Opportunity Column, it sometimes states yes or maybe. If something negates AoOs, then it negates the yes portion and the maybe portion and the special rules concerning the maybe portion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I considered it non sequitur.</p><p></p><p>The phrase in the spell is “during your next attack” means during the entire attack, including the selection of the target.</p><p></p><p>When Fighting Defensively, you are at –4 for the entire attack action, not just the point in time that you actually attack. If you declare Fighting Defensively and an opponent had declared a Readied Action to Disarm anyone who tried to attack him and you try to attack him, guess what? When he attempts to Disarm you, your opposed attack roll is at –4 due to you Fighting Defensively. It is not just when you roll the dice for your attack. If he had Readied a Trip Attack instead, your touch AC would be increased by 2 since you are Fighting Defensively. The modifiers apply for the entire attack, not just during your declared attack dice roll.</p><p></p><p>The True Strike spell says “during the attack”. This means during the entire sequence of events that constitute an attack. Not just the attack roll, even though the attack roll is what benefits the most.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 156150, member: 2011"] It’s divination magic IB. If there is nothing there, you won’t hit anything. If something is there, then your chances of hitting are greatly enhanced by the divination. How can you target an invisible character when casting a Lightning Bolt spell? Either you will hit, or you will not. The same as all HOW questions about how does the magic work. How does True Strike allow you to hit a displaced character? How does the spell read into the future and know where the target truly is located? Displacement is a glamer just like Invisibility. Effectively, you are invisible in your true location and an image of you appears nearby. The fact is that HOW the magic works is basically irrelevant. The counter positions on this topic tend to revolve about how the magic works. How do you even know the invisible target is there? How do you target him if you if you either do not know where he is or even that he exists at all? Well, because you cast a divination spell. If there are multiple invisible targets, which one gets selected? Well, that is a DM call. If you state the invisible guy that was near the rock a moment ago, the DM might have you hit that one. Or, he might randomly roll. Or, choose some other criteria. It’s not a bizarre definition of the phrase “Miss Chance”. It is the text in the column of the table. Same discussion as whether a Shield is Armor. Well, it is listed in Table 7-5: Armor. That makes it armor to me. Same as Table 8-1: Fundamental Actions in Combat. In the Attack of Opportunity Column, it sometimes states yes or maybe. If something negates AoOs, then it negates the yes portion and the maybe portion and the special rules concerning the maybe portion. I considered it non sequitur. The phrase in the spell is “during your next attack” means during the entire attack, including the selection of the target. When Fighting Defensively, you are at –4 for the entire attack action, not just the point in time that you actually attack. If you declare Fighting Defensively and an opponent had declared a Readied Action to Disarm anyone who tried to attack him and you try to attack him, guess what? When he attempts to Disarm you, your opposed attack roll is at –4 due to you Fighting Defensively. It is not just when you roll the dice for your attack. If he had Readied a Trip Attack instead, your touch AC would be increased by 2 since you are Fighting Defensively. The modifiers apply for the entire attack, not just during your declared attack dice roll. The True Strike spell says “during the attack”. This means during the entire sequence of events that constitute an attack. Not just the attack roll, even though the attack roll is what benefits the most. [/QUOTE]
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