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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Carpe DM" data-source="post: 1758624" data-attributes="member: 677">I was fiddling about with the idea of a "True Templar" -- that is, a mix of monk and paladin levels leading up to the Templar prestige class that would represent the mix of holy orders and fighting discipline that the warrior monks originally used.I noticed something odd, though, which I'm sure you've all noticed some time back: with a Ki weapon, a Monk - Templar could deliver a stun with a regular weapon, and the DC continues to rise with the character's level progression.Thus:Monk 1 / Paladin 5 / Templar 8, with spirited charge could deliver x3 damage, stun, and (with pain touch) leave the stunned target nauseated for the next round after the ride-by attack.  Rinse and repeat.And the Templar's feat progression, extra spell slots for low-level Pal. spells (which are all the good ones anyway), and smite progression don't leave the character out in the cold either.That's pretty scary.Edit --By the way, has anyone tried the Divine Metamagic / Quicken Spell / Extra Turning route for a Paladin - style character?  It seems to me that the ability to turn on Holy Sword or Divine Sacrifice as a free action would be pretty darn useful.Carpe</blockquote>