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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8546256" data-attributes="member: 7019027">Would the same argument not be true for casters? They have a larger array of options, but they rely on their options being effective more than a fighter since a poorly optimized fighter is still relatively consistent. The bonuses from strength and athletics synergize with an overall class' design in-combat. So while a rogue could theoretically have a high strength/athletics, they practically would be hurting their combat effectiveness by investing in an ability that does nothing for them combat-wise. Casters must invest heavily for them to have as much utility strength-wise. Polymorph ends any concentration-based pre-buff you may have and it costs a 4th-level spell. While Buffing yourself is possible as a caster, you could probably give a greater buff for cheaper by buffing the martial instead, even out-of-combat.This leads into the second point where what you're saying is technically that's true, but only in the sense that the caster and martial had built themselves identically, though it's extremely rare that the ability scores and skills of each classes will be identical. Realistically, a fighter would have +5 to strength, and would be more reliable when breaking, climbing, pushing, or lifting while the wizard would be more reliable with memorization, logic-puzzles, and understanding magic. So they'd be doing two different things.</blockquote>