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<blockquote data-quote="TheSword" data-source="post: 8546264" data-attributes="member: 6879661"><p>A further point of discussion. This is the list of fighter from fiction in a different thread. Of the list, few have the kind of supernatural/superhero/“narrative control” that people appear to be advocating for. Where they do have magic it is generally magic to do things that they already have access to. They don’t teleport or fly, etc etc. This list is why a lot of people don’t want to see martials with superhero powers. (And no, tolkeinien elf magic doesn’t resemble D&D magic in its effect.)</p><p></p><p>Tier 4 - Masters of the World</p><p>Fingolfin (Tolkien)</p><p>Ecthelion (Tolkien)</p><p>Glorfindel (Tolkien)</p><p>Gil-Galad (Tolkien)</p><p>Icarium (Erikson)</p><p>Elric of Melnibone (Moorcock)</p><p>Culain Lord of the Lance (Gemmell)</p><p>John Carter, Warlord of Barsoom (Burroughs)</p><p>Erekose (Moorcock)</p><p>Cohen the Barbarian (Pratchett)</p><p>Kane (Wagner)</p><p>Gilgamesh the King (anon)</p><p>Hurin (Tolkien)</p><p></p><p>Tier 3 - Masters of the Realm</p><p>Corwin of Amber (Zelazny)</p><p>Conan (Howard)</p><p>Al'lan Mandragoran (Jordan)</p><p>Aragorn (Tolkien)</p><p>Mandorallen (Eddings)</p><p>Drizzt Do'Urden (Salvatore)</p><p>Croaker (Cook)</p><p>Beowulf (Anon)</p><p>Adolin Kholin (Sanderson)</p><p>Druss the Legend (Gemmell)</p><p>Matt Cawthorn (Jordan)</p><p>Beren (Tolkien)</p><p>Galad Damodred (Jordan)</p><p>Achilles (Homer) - moved up</p><p>Lancelot du Lac (Anon)</p><p>Logen Ninefingers, the Bloody-Nine (Abercrombie)</p><p>Hector (Homer)</p><p>Richard Rahl (Goodkind)</p><p>Kaladin Stormblessed (Sanderson)</p><p></p><p>Tier 2 - Heroes of the Realm</p><p>The Grey Mouser (Leiber)</p><p>Robin Hood (Anon)</p><p>Morley Dotes (Cook)</p><p>Paksenarrion Dorthansdotter (Moon)</p><p>Aillas of Troicinet (Vance)</p><p>Legolas (Tolkien)</p><p>Gimli (Tolkien)</p><p>Fafhrd (Leiber) - moved up </p><p>Jaime Lannister *uninjured (Martin)</p><p>Brienne of Tarth (Martin)</p><p>Bard (Tolkien)</p><p>Geralt of Rivia (Sapkowski)</p><p>Bronn of the Blackwater (Martin)</p><p>Little John (Anon)</p><p>Joscelin Verreuil (Carey)</p><p>Groo the Wanderer (Aragonés and Evanier)</p><p>Bragi Ragnarson (Cook)</p><p>Boromir (Tolkien)</p><p>Carrot Ironfoundersson (Pratchett)</p><p>Eowyn (Tolkien)</p><p>Domovoi Butler (Colfer)</p><p>Sandtiger, Master Sword-Dancer (Roberson)</p><p>Del, Sword-singer (Roberson) </p><p></p><p>Tier 1 - Local Heroes</p><p>Jean Tannen (Lynch)</p><p>Eomer (Tolkien)</p><p>Cugel the Clever (Vance)</p><p>Merry (Tolkien)</p><p>Samwise the Brave (Tolkien)</p><p>Faramir (Tolkien)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheSword, post: 8546264, member: 6879661"] A further point of discussion. This is the list of fighter from fiction in a different thread. Of the list, few have the kind of supernatural/superhero/“narrative control” that people appear to be advocating for. Where they do have magic it is generally magic to do things that they already have access to. They don’t teleport or fly, etc etc. This list is why a lot of people don’t want to see martials with superhero powers. (And no, tolkeinien elf magic doesn’t resemble D&D magic in its effect.) Tier 4 - Masters of the World Fingolfin (Tolkien) Ecthelion (Tolkien) Glorfindel (Tolkien) Gil-Galad (Tolkien) Icarium (Erikson) Elric of Melnibone (Moorcock) Culain Lord of the Lance (Gemmell) John Carter, Warlord of Barsoom (Burroughs) Erekose (Moorcock) Cohen the Barbarian (Pratchett) Kane (Wagner) Gilgamesh the King (anon) Hurin (Tolkien) Tier 3 - Masters of the Realm Corwin of Amber (Zelazny) Conan (Howard) Al'lan Mandragoran (Jordan) Aragorn (Tolkien) Mandorallen (Eddings) Drizzt Do'Urden (Salvatore) Croaker (Cook) Beowulf (Anon) Adolin Kholin (Sanderson) Druss the Legend (Gemmell) Matt Cawthorn (Jordan) Beren (Tolkien) Galad Damodred (Jordan) Achilles (Homer) - moved up Lancelot du Lac (Anon) Logen Ninefingers, the Bloody-Nine (Abercrombie) Hector (Homer) Richard Rahl (Goodkind) Kaladin Stormblessed (Sanderson) Tier 2 - Heroes of the Realm The Grey Mouser (Leiber) Robin Hood (Anon) Morley Dotes (Cook) Paksenarrion Dorthansdotter (Moon) Aillas of Troicinet (Vance) Legolas (Tolkien) Gimli (Tolkien) Fafhrd (Leiber) - moved up Jaime Lannister *uninjured (Martin) Brienne of Tarth (Martin) Bard (Tolkien) Geralt of Rivia (Sapkowski) Bronn of the Blackwater (Martin) Little John (Anon) Joscelin Verreuil (Carey) Groo the Wanderer (Aragonés and Evanier) Bragi Ragnarson (Cook) Boromir (Tolkien) Carrot Ironfoundersson (Pratchett) Eowyn (Tolkien) Domovoi Butler (Colfer) Sandtiger, Master Sword-Dancer (Roberson) Del, Sword-singer (Roberson) Tier 1 - Local Heroes Jean Tannen (Lynch) Eomer (Tolkien) Cugel the Clever (Vance) Merry (Tolkien) Samwise the Brave (Tolkien) Faramir (Tolkien) [/QUOTE]
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