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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8547129" data-attributes="member: 84112"><p>this is also why I bring up moving rivers, punching through time and retcon punch... all well within 8th to 9th level spell range... earthquake stomp is easy 8th level... but lets look at 6th</p><p>[spoiler=list]</p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><th>Name ◇</th><th>Level ◇</th><th>School ◇</th><th>Ritual ◇</th><th>Casting Time ◇</th><th>Components ◇</th><th>Concentration ◇</th><th>Source ◇</th></tr><tr><td>Arcane Gate</td><td>6th</td><td>Conjuration</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VS</td><td>yes</td><td>phb 214</td></tr><tr><td>Blade Barrier</td><td>6th</td><td>Evocation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VS</td><td>yes</td><td>phb 218</td></tr><tr><td>Bones of the Earth</td><td>6th</td><td>Transmutation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VS</td><td></td><td>ee 15, xge 150</td></tr><tr><td>Chain Lightning</td><td>6th</td><td>Evocation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSM</td><td></td><td>phb 221</td></tr><tr><td>Circle of Death</td><td>6th</td><td>Necromancy</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSMgp</td><td></td><td>phb 221</td></tr><tr><td>Conjure Fey</td><td>6th</td><td>Conjuration</td><td></td><td>1 minute</td><td>VS</td><td>yes</td><td>phb 226</td></tr><tr><td>Contingency</td><td>6th</td><td>Evocation</td><td></td><td>10 minutes</td><td>VSMgp</td><td></td><td>phb 227</td></tr><tr><td>Create Homunculus</td><td>6th</td><td>Transmutation</td><td></td><td>1 hour</td><td>VSMgp</td><td></td><td>xge 152</td></tr><tr><td>Create Undead</td><td>6th</td><td>Necromancy</td><td></td><td>1 minute</td><td>VSMgp</td><td></td><td>phb 229</td></tr><tr><td>Disintegrate</td><td>6th</td><td>Transmutation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSM</td><td></td><td>phb 233</td></tr><tr><td>Drawmij's Instant Summons</td><td>6th</td><td>Conjuration</td><td>yes</td><td>1 minute</td><td>VSMgp</td><td></td><td>phb 235</td></tr><tr><td>Druid Grove</td><td>6th</td><td>Abjuration</td><td></td><td>10 minutes</td><td>VSM</td><td></td><td>xge 154</td></tr><tr><td>Eyebite</td><td>6th</td><td>Necromancy</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VS</td><td>yes</td><td>phb 238</td></tr><tr><td>Find the Path</td><td>6th</td><td>Divination</td><td></td><td>1 minute</td><td>VSMgp</td><td>yes</td><td>phb 240</td></tr><tr><td>Flesh to Stone</td><td>6th</td><td>Transmutation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSM</td><td>yes</td><td>phb 243</td></tr><tr><td>Forbiddance</td><td>6th</td><td>Abjuration</td><td>yes</td><td>10 minutes</td><td>VSMgp</td><td></td><td>phb 243</td></tr><tr><td>Globe of Invulnerability</td><td>6th</td><td>Abjuration</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSM</td><td>yes</td><td>phb 245</td></tr><tr><td>Guards and Wards</td><td>6th</td><td>Abjuration</td><td></td><td>10 minutes</td><td>VSMgp</td><td></td><td>phb 248</td></tr><tr><td>Harm</td><td>6th</td><td>Necromancy</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VS</td><td></td><td>phb 249</td></tr><tr><td>Heal</td><td>6th</td><td>Evocation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VS</td><td></td><td>phb 250</td></tr><tr><td>Heroes' Feast</td><td>6th</td><td>Conjuration</td><td></td><td>10 minutes</td><td>VSMgp</td><td></td><td>phb 250</td></tr><tr><td>Investiture of Flame</td><td>6th</td><td>Transmutation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VS</td><td>yes</td><td>ee 19, xge 159</td></tr><tr><td>Investiture of Ice</td><td>6th</td><td>Transmutation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VS</td><td>yes</td><td>ee 19, xge 159</td></tr><tr><td>Investiture of Stone</td><td>6th</td><td>Transmutation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VS</td><td>yes</td><td>ee 19, xge 159</td></tr><tr><td>Investiture of Wind</td><td>6th</td><td>Transmutation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VS</td><td>yes</td><td>ee 20, xge 160</td></tr><tr><td>Magic Jar</td><td>6th</td><td>Necromancy</td><td></td><td>1 minute</td><td>VSMgp</td><td></td><td>phb 257</td></tr><tr><td>Mass Suggestion</td><td>6th</td><td>Enchantment</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VM</td><td></td><td>phb 258</td></tr><tr><td>Mental Prison</td><td>6th</td><td>Illusion</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>S</td><td>yes</td><td>xge 161</td></tr><tr><td>Move Earth</td><td>6th</td><td>Transmutation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSM</td><td>yes</td><td>phb 263</td></tr><tr><td>Otiluke's Freezing Sphere</td><td>6th</td><td>Evocation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSM</td><td></td><td>phb 263</td></tr><tr><td>Otto's Irresistible Dance</td><td>6th</td><td>Enchantment</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>V</td><td>yes</td><td>phb 264</td></tr><tr><td>Planar Ally</td><td>6th</td><td>Conjuration</td><td></td><td>10 minutes</td><td>VS</td><td></td><td>phb 265</td></tr><tr><td>Primordial Ward</td><td>6th</td><td>Abjuration</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VS</td><td>yes</td><td>ee 21, xge 163</td></tr><tr><td>Programmed Illusion</td><td>6th</td><td>Illusion</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSMgp</td><td></td><td>phb 269</td></tr><tr><td>Scatter</td><td>6th</td><td>Abjuration</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>V</td><td></td><td>xge 164</td></tr><tr><td>Soul Cage</td><td>6th</td><td>Necromancy</td><td></td><td>1 reaction</td><td>VSMgp</td><td></td><td>xge 165</td></tr><tr><td>Summon Fiend</td><td>6th</td><td>Conjuration</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSM</td><td>yes</td><td>tce 112</td></tr><tr><td>Sunbeam</td><td>6th</td><td>Evocation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSM</td><td>yes</td><td>phb 279</td></tr><tr><td>Tasha's Otherworldly Guise</td><td>6th</td><td>Transmutation</td><td></td><td>1 bonus action</td><td>VSM</td><td>yes</td><td>tce 116</td></tr><tr><td>Tenser's Transformation</td><td>6th</td><td>Transmutation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSM</td><td>yes</td><td>xge 168</td></tr><tr><td>Transport via Plants</td><td>6th</td><td>Conjuration</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VS</td><td></td><td>phb 283</td></tr><tr><td>True Seeing</td><td>6th</td><td>Divination</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSMgp</td><td></td><td>phb 284</td></tr><tr><td>Wall of Ice</td><td>6th</td><td>Evocation</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSM</td><td>yes</td><td>phb 285</td></tr><tr><td>Wall of Thorns</td><td>6th</td><td>Conjuration</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>VSM</td><td>yes</td><td>phb 287</td></tr><tr><td>Wind Walk</td><td>6th</td><td>Transmutation</td><td></td><td>1 minute</td><td>VSM</td><td></td><td>phb 288</td></tr><tr><td>Word of Recall</td><td>6th</td><td>Conjuration</td><td></td><td>1 action</td><td>V</td><td></td><td>phb 289</td></tr></table><p>[spoiler]</p><p></p><p>programed illusion. soul cage true seeing contigunsy, create undead, arcane gate... what 20th level fighter can 1/day (heck 1/year) match the power of those?[/spoiler][/spoiler]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8547129, member: 84112"] this is also why I bring up moving rivers, punching through time and retcon punch... all well within 8th to 9th level spell range... earthquake stomp is easy 8th level... but lets look at 6th [spoiler=list] [TABLE] [TR] [TH]Name ◇[/TH] [TH]Level ◇[/TH] [TH]School ◇[/TH] [TH]Ritual ◇[/TH] [TH]Casting Time ◇[/TH] [TH]Components ◇[/TH] [TH]Concentration ◇[/TH] [TH]Source ◇[/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Arcane Gate[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Conjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]phb 214[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Blade Barrier[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Evocation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]phb 218[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Bones of the Earth[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Transmutation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]ee 15, xge 150[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Chain Lightning[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Evocation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 221[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Circle of Death[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Necromancy[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 221[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Conjure Fey[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Conjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 minute[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]phb 226[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Contingency[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Evocation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]10 minutes[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 227[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Create Homunculus[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Transmutation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 hour[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]xge 152[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Create Undead[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Necromancy[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 minute[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 229[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Disintegrate[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Transmutation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 233[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Drawmij's Instant Summons[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Conjuration[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]1 minute[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 235[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Druid Grove[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Abjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]10 minutes[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]xge 154[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Eyebite[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Necromancy[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]phb 238[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Find the Path[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Divination[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 minute[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]phb 240[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Flesh to Stone[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Transmutation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]phb 243[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Forbiddance[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Abjuration[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]10 minutes[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 243[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Globe of Invulnerability[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Abjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]phb 245[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Guards and Wards[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Abjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]10 minutes[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 248[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Harm[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Necromancy[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 249[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Heal[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Evocation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 250[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Heroes' Feast[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Conjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]10 minutes[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 250[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Investiture of Flame[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Transmutation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]ee 19, xge 159[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Investiture of Ice[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Transmutation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]ee 19, xge 159[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Investiture of Stone[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Transmutation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]ee 19, xge 159[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Investiture of Wind[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Transmutation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]ee 20, xge 160[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Magic Jar[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Necromancy[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 minute[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 257[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Mass Suggestion[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Enchantment[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VM[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 258[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Mental Prison[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Illusion[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]S[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]xge 161[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Move Earth[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Transmutation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]phb 263[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Otiluke's Freezing Sphere[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Evocation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 263[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Otto's Irresistible Dance[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Enchantment[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]V[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]phb 264[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Planar Ally[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Conjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]10 minutes[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 265[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Primordial Ward[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Abjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]ee 21, xge 163[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Programmed Illusion[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Illusion[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 269[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Scatter[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Abjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]V[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]xge 164[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Soul Cage[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Necromancy[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 reaction[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]xge 165[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Summon Fiend[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Conjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]tce 112[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Sunbeam[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Evocation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]phb 279[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Tasha's Otherworldly Guise[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Transmutation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 bonus action[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]tce 116[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Tenser's Transformation[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Transmutation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]xge 168[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Transport via Plants[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Conjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VS[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 283[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]True Seeing[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Divination[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSMgp[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 284[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Wall of Ice[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Evocation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]phb 285[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Wall of Thorns[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Conjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD]yes[/TD] [TD]phb 287[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Wind Walk[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Transmutation[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 minute[/TD] [TD]VSM[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 288[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Word of Recall[/TD] [TD]6th[/TD] [TD]Conjuration[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]1 action[/TD] [TD]V[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]phb 289[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [spoiler] programed illusion. soul cage true seeing contigunsy, create undead, arcane gate... what 20th level fighter can 1/day (heck 1/year) match the power of those?[/spoiler][/spoiler] [/QUOTE]
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