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<blockquote data-quote="FrozenNorth" data-source="post: 8548163" data-attributes="member: 7020832">If you want to know where a person stands, look at where they demand a high standard of evidence or universal consensus, and where they will accept hand-waving.&nbsp; In the heat of battle, a wizard can pinpoint his fireball spell 20’ from the hobgoblin so that it hits the hobgoblin but not the fighter in melee combat with him.&nbsp; Acceptable handwave.Becoming a wizard takes years of study to learn the basics (justification for why wizards are rare), but you still start out with the same choice of backgrounds and number of skills as the martial characters (also applies to clerics, paladins and bards).&nbsp; Acceptable handwave.Fighters that live in a world of heroic fantasy should be able to perform feats of strength that are commensurate to the world they live in.&nbsp; In they can fight a 20-ton dragon with a longsword snd shield, they should be able to suplex titans and shoot dragons out of the sky without taking the one subclass that allows it.&nbsp; Wait?&nbsp; Where did they get the power to do this?&nbsp; Unacceptable handwave.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrozenNorth, post: 8548163, member: 7020832"] If you want to know where a person stands, look at where they demand a high standard of evidence or universal consensus, and where they will accept hand-waving. In the heat of battle, a wizard can pinpoint his fireball spell 20’ from the hobgoblin so that it hits the hobgoblin but not the fighter in melee combat with him. Acceptable handwave. Becoming a wizard takes years of study to learn the basics (justification for why wizards are rare), but you still start out with the same choice of backgrounds and number of skills as the martial characters (also applies to clerics, paladins and bards). Acceptable handwave. Fighters that live in a world of heroic fantasy should be able to perform feats of strength that are commensurate to the world they live in. In they can fight a 20-ton dragon with a longsword snd shield, they should be able to suplex titans and shoot dragons out of the sky without taking the one subclass that allows it. Wait? Where did they get the power to do this? Unacceptable handwave. [/QUOTE]

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