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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bert1001 fka bert1000" data-source="post: 8548380" data-attributes="member: 7029588">What is there to engage on though?  Or are you just stating your preferences?You want action movie heros and maybe the current Fighter is good enough for you or maybe you want to see some improvement, which you have some suggestions for.Other people want a mythic martial which is very different from what you want.Can you ackowledge that there is this different thing people want?Can  you acknowledge that there is design space to make this mythic martial as long as it doesn't exceed the power, versatility, and narrative control of the current Wizard or Bard?Do you care if this exists along side your action hero Fighter?Do you feel the need to influence the design of the mythic martial even though you will never use it in your games?If you answers are Y, Y, N, N then there is no discussion.   People are just stating preferences.    Great.If you answer N to the first two then the base assumptions are just too far apart to have a discussion.If you answer Y to the last two then we get into gatekeeping issues.  How do you engage with that?</blockquote>