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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mort" data-source="post: 8548484" data-attributes="member: 762">A high level one? It's just difficult to have joe average and 10+ level in my head at the same time.But, for me. it's not even that. The fighter has little to no base ability to contribute outside of combat - in a way that other classes can. Sure they can take a feat or a skill - but so can EVERY OTHER CLASS. and yes fighters get a few more ASI/feats but they really, need those to stay competitive in the one area they are supposed to be good at - combat.Here's the thing, literary "fighters" get other stuff for exploration and social. Give them soldiering knacks (ability to forced march better, ability to stay awake longer, ability to rally troops regardless of actual charisma) give them social standing stuff beyond just "take the noble background" something that lets them stand out among the other classes but remain fighters. There's plenty of room between making them better in the other 2 tiers of play and making them demi-gods (though as a personal preference I think there is plenty of room for the mythic fighter too, but that's getting ahead of the current issue IMO).</blockquote>