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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest 7034872" data-source="post: 8549331">I know things get spicy in this thread and others that deal with the Martials-vs.-Casters dynamic, but in keeping with Asisreo's original ambition for the thread, perhaps we could harness the energy this discussion has generated.Those who most strongly oppose buffing martials and/or nerfing casters, what do you say are the best reasons for someone to support doing so despite your clear objections? What are their best arguments, in your opinion?Those who most strongly support buffing martials and/or nerfing casters, what do you say are the best reasons for someone to oppose doing so despite your clear objections? What are their best arguments, in your opinion?My thinking is that if we can get a solid consensus on those questions, not only will we likely become less angry through our efforts better to understand those with whom we disagree, we'll also acquire a much clearer collective understanding of the landscape and so understand our own positions better.Tentatively, I'm of the opinion that the martials are too underpowered and should be buffed, but not hugely. I'm also of the opinion, though, that if that doesn't happen, I'll be fine with playing martial characters as they already stand, too. I think I tend to be one of those players who instinctively think about the party more than they think about their own character.Okay, so since I favor making some modest changes, what do I say are the best reasons against doing so?<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Like I said before, the Law of Unintended Consequences. As a young man, I underestimated the power of this law way too much not to respect it now that I'm middle-aged.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Balance isn't really the point. The game was not built on a principle of all classes and all races being well-balanced against each other in terms of strength and flexibility; it was built, I'd say, on Middle Earth being awesome and people wishing we could go there instead of just reading about it. No way are orcs and elves evenly balanced in Tolkien's world. Uh-uh.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">As my disclaimer intimated, it's been my sense that in D&D teamwork counts for more than individual achievement. Bilbo is a weenie compared to Thorin, and let's not even bother making a comparison with Gandalf. So what? He was just the weenie they needed, and it made for a great story. (This point might fit under (2), but I think it merits elaboration.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Fighters aren't magical and in a world saturated with powerful magic, that almost has to put them at some kind of disadvantage, doesn't it? This objection in particular is one I've seen a lot on this thread (unless I'm misinterpreting folks).</li> </ol>Those, I say, are the best reasons against making any official changes to the dynamic. Nay-sayers to changes, am I leaving out any of your biggest reasons?</blockquote>

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