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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8549605" data-attributes="member: 93670">I think the pizza topping analogy is strained & off the mark at best.  The intercharacter balance & question of where tradeoffs should come is too important to dismiss in that fashion becaus d&d is a game where everyone plays with a similarly equal character than falls apart if one class is overpowered from the others to such a degree that it's among the best at everything.  Even if someone is sympathetic to improving fighter the question of how much to improve it depends on what tradeoffs are being made & without tradeoffs there needs to be an extremely strong case not being made.A better analogy might be going to <a href="https://www.thecapitalgrille.com/menu-listing/cocktails#cocktails" target="_blank">capital griille</a> with friends & agreeing to split the bill, for those not familiar it's a famously expensive chain known for business lunches someone else pays for.  The friends should be up front about things like "are we getting drinks" "entrees or just the early bird appetizer things?" & similar.  These kinds of questions are akin to asking about the tradeoffs.  If everyone agrees to drinks & orders a ~15-20$glass that's ok, but not so ok if bob doesn't mention that he's ordering a glass of macallan25 with three digits before the decimal or a 98$ bottle of wine.  Likewise Alice ordering lobster & filet is different than the time  Bob ordered the one non-shellfish thing at that seafood place due to a shellfish allergy even if it was a bit pricey.Bob's macallen25 or 98$ bottle of wine is no good  because it makes the friends no longer similarly on the bill like how they are at the table in d&d.  The shellfish  thing with Alice  is likewise a good analogy because it's a very good reason like the beastmaster ranger's pet being shifted from almost useless at its intended purpose to being somewhat useful at it's purpose.  We aren't talking about changing a poorly designed feature to bring value worth the cost, it's about things like fighters <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/truly-understanding-the-martials-casters-discussion.686063/post-8548141" target="_blank">getting to fly at level 11</a></blockquote>

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