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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8550398" data-attributes="member: 84112">what build is better then legend lore, teleport, or passwall? what aare you talking about? I don't understand thisso sometimes the wizards awsome win buttons don't work... so no one but wizards should ever get win buttons...add banishment to the above list of "what build of fighter can do it better"I have not only played in games that this is not true for, I can't imagine you never gave out weapons with properties that were not +1 or just didn't roll a + weapon at all...so wizards can't kill and fighters can't immoblize seems fair, but how many times did fireball kill someone... seems strangeso the downside of playing a caster is sometime your win buttons don't work... got it.clerics bards hexblades all get plenty too... at 10th level the fighter has +1 over custum linage or human or equal... at level 20 it's +1 or +2doesn't work1-2hp per level 20-40hp over 20 levels... and with that trade off clerics get spells that heal and give buffhp no concentration... so catch right back up, or win button, or something fighters can't do... there choice.I'm not applying them all I am showing that they all have things... no class is a noncombat class in 5enot as many as a wizard knows spells... and of course you prefer EK (most do) becuse of caster supremacywow so casters can do things non casters can't but it takes time so it's okay!?!? are you listening to yourself?again yes feats give fighters boosts... feats give wizards boosts... feats give clerics boosts... so they are even the fighter in the BEST HIGHEST example gets 2 of them... show me any wizard who would trade 9th level spells for 2 feats</blockquote>

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