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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8550791" data-attributes="member: 93670">I encourage you to look back into how those suggestions came up.  The process went something like this:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a monster cold hover 20 feet up</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Yes it could & risking that weakness is why you should use one of the many options available to you as a fighter if you encounter a monster that hits your weakness.  Some of them are even quite strong alongside cantrips & they don't even cause difficulties carrying or affording them given carrying capacities & low cost</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">but I don't want to use a bow as a strength based fighter</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">well that tradeoff was something you chose when you went all in on a strength fighter, probably for something like gwm & higher damage 2h weapons.  There are strength based ranged weapons like these</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">but I don't want to use those because they don't let me use all of my attacks</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">well if you are concerned about that you could take these to avoid that weakness</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">but I don't want to take those</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">So pick some other option to fall back on should you find yourself in that disadvantageous situation, the longbow ids still pretty good as a fallback</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">but that's not acceptable because a longbow with 14 strength does less damage than firebolt with 20 int so I don't want to<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">uhh.. firebolt doesn't add int to damage while the bow adds dex & because extra attack multiplies both damage dice as well as ability & weapon mods unlike firebolt that will always be the case</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">but the bow is terrible</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">it's more than firebolt and the specializedfighter does amazing when they are not in a situation that hits  their weakness.  If you don't want that weakness here is how you could be amazing with the longbow instead</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">and now we are back to square one restarting the whole cycle with but I can't take everything & would have weaknesses, I don't want weaknesses... d&d choices involve tradeoffs because best in class at all things with no weaknesses would be broken to a hilarious degree.</li> </ul>Mathematically accurate and statistically misleading are not a one or the other situation. I said it earlier & made it fairly explicit <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/truly-understanding-the-martials-casters-discussion.686063/post-8549476" target="_blank">here</a>, I'm not against improvements to fighter but how much to improve & what tradeoffs are made is important because they do have very strong strengths already.  Best in class at all things with no weaknesses that go so far as dropping to somewhat above average like the longbow without feats/fighting styles would be broken to a silly degree & the only evidence put forward for where/how much to improve fighter seems to be little more than an ever shifting "I don't want that" alongside an ever shifting whiteroom with a quantum fighter who is always constructed to be weakest at any given situation.</blockquote>

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