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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gammadoodler" data-source="post: 8551169" data-attributes="member: 6914290">Sure. There usually are. This one was not particularly detailed and was directly comparing to fighter damage calculated by [USER=93670]@tetrasodium[/USER]  without any critical reading of their calculations. The point was to look at where the break points are for fighter damage vs aoe spelcasring using one of the most common aoe spells (not even a high level one)Certainly. Call it 16 squares out of 44 (though it really needn't be that high as long as apart of the creature is on the aoe, they are effected) so we can go with 40% occupied, and hey dire wolves have pack tactics and so have incentive to clump together. Fireball is definitely more effective with smaller creatures, but can still be effective otherwise. It is still also only a third level spell available at character level 5.The beauty of bounded accuracy is that this statement can be true, but it is entirely dependent on encounter setup. We can say you're right those enemies are inherently not a threat..or we can say that those enemies usually aren't a threat because they are so easy to remove with AoEs. There's a case either way.I will agree that dead is better than alive, but, absent aoe healing on the enemy side, more damage is also better than less damage. All the hp have to go away one way or the other.I'm not actually sure what concept you're trying to describe here. Wizard overkill?The fighter damage I have compared to is not mine. Moreover, your max range in all versions of fighter you've described is 10 ft. If no creature is in that range, they do not have 1-6 attacks..they have zero attacks. Fireball has a 150ft range. It's significantly easier to use.Hell, with range disparity alone, you can afford to use it even less optimally than we've discussed. All this, and again..fireball is one 3rd level spell, one of many casters have access to, and one they get at character level 5.</blockquote>

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