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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8551951" data-attributes="member: 7019027">And I think D&D should improve in those aspects. The game is more tolerable now then back then, but I do think the inherent problems plaguing the system needs to go.Then it's a difference in perception. I felt like that was the case. It's not that I want 5e wholly as-is, though dungeon crawling isn't just about the combat. It's about exploring the unknown. Really, what you're able to do comes secondary to what you're able to find and what you do with what you found. So contributing is less about having something unique and meaningful in your statblock and more about what you, as a player, bring to the table.In low tier games, the fact that they're limited resources make them more difficult to justify using. In high tier games, the wards and extremely dangerous traps make casting much more difficult. It isn't about spells not being great, it's that if they're used poorly even if they're generally good, that makes them difficult. For example, thinking the wizard can just cast invisibility and walk in the middle of the room without being seen. That's a luxury at high levels because alot of monsters have truesight or blindsight.You don't need to justify it, I just was looking for an understanding. I suppose your passion for the system overall is what gets you riled up. That's something I can't really relate to. I tend to just pass over things I don't like. I'm not a fan of Pathfinder and 4e, but I don't really want to change much of what's in there because I recognize that it's for somebody out there, just not me. If I don't like it, I don't play it. Maybe the fact that 5e is so popular means that it's harder to avoid, but it doesn't feel like the alternatives have gotten less popular.There are a few options for casual play, Barbarians and rogues are generally casual friendly. More complex than the champion, sure, but it's more like something refreshing rather than a new subsystem.I think what they wanted in playtesting is different than their philosophy now. But also, your philosophy for game design doesn't necessarily have to be the same as others. I get that some people don't want to play "tails" from sonic, but some really do want the enjoyment of being present without the consequences or stress of being highly skilled at the game.</blockquote>

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