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<blockquote data-quote="Gammadoodler" data-source="post: 8552061" data-attributes="member: 6914290">Except that these are broadly differences of flavor and implementation rather than differences in capability. And it's something that your side of the argument takes advantage of.Poster after poster says:I want martials to have more utility.Your side says:Oh, so you just want magic then.Some pro martials say &quot;Sure, easy peasey.&quot; Some say &quot;I don't think that's really necessary, but if thats what it takes&quot;. Some say, &quot;That is absolutely unnecessary, it doesn't take magic to make everything useful&quot;Your side says:We're just having a peaceful discussion. You pro-martials can't agree on anything. Same thing with updating existing classes vs. making a new class. It's so damn perverse, since your side agrees that whatever the implementation or flavor is, it shouldnt exist.The things we don't agree on are the least important parts of the equation.So let's keep it simple.We want martials to have more utility than they have now.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gammadoodler, post: 8552061, member: 6914290"] Except that these are broadly differences of flavor and implementation rather than differences in capability. And it's something that your side of the argument takes advantage of. Poster after poster says: [I]I want martials to have more utility.[/I] Your side says: [I]Oh, so you just want magic then.[/I] Some pro martials say "Sure, easy peasey." Some say "I don't think that's really necessary, but if thats what it takes". Some say, "That is absolutely unnecessary, it doesn't take magic to make everything useful" Your side says: [I]We're just having a peaceful discussion. You pro-martials can't agree on anything. [/I] Same thing with updating existing classes vs. making a new class. It's so damn perverse, since your side agrees that whatever the implementation or flavor is, it shouldnt exist. The things we don't agree on are the least important parts of the equation. So let's keep it simple. [I]We want martials to have more utility than they have now.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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