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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bento" data-source="post: 3061484" data-attributes="member: 36597">Look at how many long-time players on this board said that they'd either quit playing or not  switch when 4.0 is released. I'm sure there's been a survey that's been done regarding this topic.Casual Gamer POV: If playing a game is an opportunity to hang out with friends and have a little fun, why challenge myself with different rules just because the DM isn't happy with something.  That's the crux of the matter - the DM will always have a greatest amount of frustration with the rules, while players only have to learn a small portion of them to get a lot of enjoyment out of the game.Personally I'm all for the DM finding a ruleset that meets their needs, but most players have the attitude of "it's working for me - don't fix what ain't broke."</blockquote>