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<blockquote data-quote="Visigani" data-source="post: 5738148" data-attributes="member: 6676235"><p>And this is why it's difficult to have a discussion with you. You choose some of the most powerful creatures in the game and then say "what, huh, your power ain't gunna work now derp derp?".</p><p></p><p>A huge chunk of the wizards repertoire is entirely useless against the Tarrasque, including the iconic magic missile as well as cone of cold, lightning bolt, etc etc. Does this somehow make spells useless? No.</p><p></p><p>Why can you not wrap your head around this extremely simple concept?</p><p></p><p></p><p>You ask what the monk does so well and I've told you again and again he consumes fewer resources than other party members. That's how he plays a support character, that is his virtue. Just as a fighter having a high AC reduces the amount of healing a cleric has to do, the monk having the various defenses he has reduces the amount of restoration, healing, etc etc spells he must consume. For as much as you're on this forum you'd think you'd be acquainted with the basics rather than just some crap you ripped off/regurgitated of some guidebook somewhere and adopted as your dogma.</p><p></p><p>A monk can fight, scout, play as the party face and is significantly harder to kill than the next guy who has the ability to fill all those roles (the rogue/bard), and is about the most mobile character on the playing field. He can do all these things and then you turn around herp a derp and ask why he can't stand toe to toe like a fighter when a fighter can't touch his other capabilities.</p><p></p><p>I mean if you want to have an actual conversation about this, let's have it... but save the ridiculously short sighted assumptions about the class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Visigani, post: 5738148, member: 6676235"] And this is why it's difficult to have a discussion with you. You choose some of the most powerful creatures in the game and then say "what, huh, your power ain't gunna work now derp derp?". A huge chunk of the wizards repertoire is entirely useless against the Tarrasque, including the iconic magic missile as well as cone of cold, lightning bolt, etc etc. Does this somehow make spells useless? No. Why can you not wrap your head around this extremely simple concept? You ask what the monk does so well and I've told you again and again he consumes fewer resources than other party members. That's how he plays a support character, that is his virtue. Just as a fighter having a high AC reduces the amount of healing a cleric has to do, the monk having the various defenses he has reduces the amount of restoration, healing, etc etc spells he must consume. For as much as you're on this forum you'd think you'd be acquainted with the basics rather than just some crap you ripped off/regurgitated of some guidebook somewhere and adopted as your dogma. A monk can fight, scout, play as the party face and is significantly harder to kill than the next guy who has the ability to fill all those roles (the rogue/bard), and is about the most mobile character on the playing field. He can do all these things and then you turn around herp a derp and ask why he can't stand toe to toe like a fighter when a fighter can't touch his other capabilities. I mean if you want to have an actual conversation about this, let's have it... but save the ridiculously short sighted assumptions about the class. [/QUOTE]
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