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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ValhallaGH" data-source="post: 3146929" data-attributes="member: 41187">I noticed that.  I still don't really think it's a problem.  Most prestige classes are designed so that as soon as a character can meet the skill rank or BAB requirements, they can meet all requirements.The majority of exceptions require disparate class features (castable spells, rage and turn undead, sneak attack and familiar, etc) that force a character to multi-class irregardless of the existence or non-eixstence of class skills.The result being that either the character qualifies no earlier or they qualify one level earlier.  I can't see a problem with that.But I am willing to be shown the error of my ways.It's because of those high DCs that UMD won't be worse.  The effects are better but you can't gain those without a significant investment of character resources (especially for 2+ skill points per level classes) that takes many levels to really pay off.  Also, you need to actually have a magical device to use (likely but still an often significant limitation).  Finally, you are never guaranteed success when using magical devices; a natural 1 automatically fails.Tumble, on the other hand, requires a total +24 check to do everything it asks for all the time, and +5 total check to do the best part of it reliably (55%).Yeah.  Balanced. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> I completely agree.  A single feat that deleted cross-class skills would be unbalanced.Deleting cross-class skills for everyone, for free, would not be unbalanced*.Which is what I was trying to say in the first place.* Changes would be required for certain skills (Tumble) due to the ridiculous ease of their best effects.Edit: My appologies for straying so far from the topic and into houserule territory.  My original post was meant as a throw-away comment but there was a response and I felt the need to continue the discussion.  I can take this somewhere else if anyone (especially the OP) prefers.</blockquote>

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