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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6299981" data-attributes="member: 4937">My problem with them is that most don't have flavor; they have mechanics.   To the extent that some are flavorful, they tend not to be the classes people reach for.  And even within that, many are so narrow that really everyone with that class is basically the same character.  The whole idea that Monte was trying to encourage of being part of an elite organization that would draw players into RP got thrown out the window in favor of classes that were basically just base class extenders with more bonus feats and class features per level.Ahh.. Well, to each their own.  I won't start that argument again.Keep the cleric.  Lose the favored soul.   Instead of taking a favored soul and kludging on cleric mechanics like turning and such, take the cleric and give it the favored soul's spells known table only with 1 fewer spell known per spell level (plus domain spells).   Then drop the number of spells per day by 1 per spell level and you are done.  You keep a Wisdom based caster in your game.  You keep the awesome 'domain' selection that makes clerics feel different with just a few small choices.  And you avoid a class that has 3 good saves, energy resistance, wings, etc. on top of being a full spell caster and which completely lacks in intraclass variation (unlike cleric with its aforementioned domains).  I loath classes lacking in intraclass variety (hence part of my hatred of PrC's).  The ideal class in my opinion is one where every member of a 6 person party could play a character of the same class and the could all be different in concept.Green Ronin's The Shaman Handbook.   I'm sure there is something with the gist of it around, but the pdf would be worth buying or head down to a used book store and see if you can find a copy.   Lovely little customizable class concept - covers every single animistic priest or wizard you can imagine - without adding a bunch of rules.   You want to be witch?  Play a shaman. Voodoo Man?  Shaman.  Druid?  Shaman.  The original book is in 3.0 rules, but if you prefer 3.5 they have a page or two or errata that covers everything.</blockquote>

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