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<blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1170154" data-attributes="member: 14225">Even for Rangers, if they are attacking their favored enemy they get +2 damage on each weapon.So they get 2 short sword attacks at +2 damage each. One gets full strength, the other gets half strength. So if both hit you are looking at 2d6 + 1.5 strength +4 damage. But they don't automatically hit, in fact they suffer a -2 to-hit penalty. Meanwhile, a greatsword would be handing out 2d6 + 1.5 Strength +2 damage with no to-hit penalty with no feat expenditure at all.So the Ranger suffers a -2 t-hit penalty to get a +2 total damage. In other words, if he is facing a favored enemy he is using 3rd edition power attack for 2. If he is facing anything else, he's just behind. Ad remember that this costs a feat for every attack you have, and of course it only works on a full attack, and if you ever multiclass you are falling behind on that.It can pay off for Rogues, because so much of their damage is bonus damage. It sucks for everyone else - including the Rangers for whom it is supposed to be a primary class benefit.-Frank</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrankTrollman, post: 1170154, member: 14225"] Even for Rangers, [i]if[/i] they are attacking their favored enemy they get +2 damage on each weapon. So they get 2 short sword attacks at +2 damage each. One gets full strength, the other gets half strength. So if both hit you are looking at 2d6 + 1.5 strength +4 damage. But they don't automatically hit, in fact they suffer a -2 to-hit penalty. Meanwhile, a greatsword would be handing out 2d6 + 1.5 Strength +2 damage with no to-hit penalty with no feat expenditure at all. So the Ranger suffers a -2 t-hit penalty to get a +2 total damage. In other words, [i]if[/i] he is facing a favored enemy he is using 3rd edition power attack for 2. If he is facing anything else, he's just behind. Ad remember that this costs a feat for every attack you have, and of course it only works on a full attack, and if you ever multiclass you are falling behind on that. It can pay off for Rogues, because so much of their damage is bonus damage. It sucks for [i]everyone else[/i] - including the Rangers for whom it is supposed to be a primary class benefit. -Frank [/QUOTE]

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