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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrankTrollman" data-source="post: 1170677" data-attributes="member: 14225">This isn't a math error - it's a comparison error. You just compared a character using both arms an a full attack action to a character using only one arm and a standard attack action. These are not remotely the same. If the single Longsworder was half-way intelligent, he'd be striking two handed with that thing - as apparently he doesn't have a shield (which gives a significant defensive advantage).Moreover, you neglected that the second longsword does less damage. In the first, you'd have a 55% chance of doing d8+6, in the second you have a 35% chance of doing d8+4 and another 35% chance of doing d8+2. That's 5.775 average damage for the single longsword and 5.25 average damage for the pair.In short, the guy dual-wielding has paid a feat, some money, and a move-equivalent action to do less damage.But all this is irrelevent, as the proper comparison to this yokel fighting with two longswords is in fact a character using a Greatsword - which does 2d6+6 damage at no to-hit penalty with no feat expenditure at all. The TWF guy is doing 2d8+6 at -4 to-hit - or in short flushing 4 points of attack bonus into half-strength power-attack.Not exactly. The guy with greatsword is ahead to begin with. The Greatsworder can power attack for +/- 4 and have the same attack bonus as the guy with two Longswords. But while the guy with two longswords has gained 2 average damage, the Greatsworder has gained four. Now, any subsequent +/-1 the Greatsworder puts into Power Attack gets him +1 damage, and it gets the Dual-Wielder +2. That means that if the greatsworder puts 2 more points into power attack (for a total of +/- 6), the Dual Wielder can match by putting in his "first" two. And then they are equal - the Greatsworder fighting at -6 to-hit for 2d6+12 damage and the Double Longsworder fighting at -6 to-hit for 2d8+10 (in both cases the average damage is 19 and the attack bonus is the same).So if you habitually find yourself power attacking for +/-7 or more - the TWF has finally paid off - but not so much as simply spending a feat on anything else might.Since it adds the same proportion to both sides of the equation, why would we do that?At best, it won't make any difference, at worst it will make your math harder to follow and introduce sources of error.No it didn't. The Longsword alone beats the double long swords' pants off. The fact that you can, and will, use a shield or a large weapon if oyu itend to fight with one weapon is simply a kick in the crotch for an already inferior combat style.-Frank</blockquote>

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