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<blockquote data-quote="BradfordFerguson" data-source="post: 4022188" data-attributes="member: 20048">Cleric 6Str 16 +3 (gained +2 STR @ level 2)Dex 10Con 14 +2 Int 10 Wis 18 +4 (gained +2 WIS @ level 4)Cha 14 +2HP: 45 Bloodied: 22 (1/2 HP total)AC: 23 (+4 vs giants?)Init: 0, Move: 20'Fort: 7, Refex: 3, Will: 9ATTACKfull attack: +10 hit, 9 damage, x3 crit (masterwork warhammer)SPECIALCombat Caster: auto success combat castingTurn Undead x/dayDomain Specials?Dwarf Specials?SPELLS3rd: 4/day: Bestow Curse, Dispel Magic, Remove Condition, Cure Serious Wounds 19 HP.&nbsp; 2nd: 5/day: Divine Gift, Resist Energy, Silence, Cure Moderate Wounds 15HP.1st: 5/encounter: Divine Favor, Doom, Sanctuary, Cure Light Wounds 9HP.SKILLS (trained)Piety +12 (know: religion, heal, spellcraft)Diplomacy +10EQUIPMENThalf-plate? (whatever is +7), masterwork warhammer, large steel shield(unfinished)THOUGHTS: Maybe I should let the player pick a 1st-level spell that could be cast at will?&nbsp; Hmmm.After a night's sleep... The sample cleric feels a bit &quot;safe&quot; to me.&nbsp; The way I have set up spell use still feels &quot;Vancian&quot; to me.&nbsp; Nothing really screams cool, fun, AWESOME to me.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />I wonder if a cleric's spells should be set up similar to a sorcerer's.&nbsp; Here's how I would do it: each game session, the player can choose 3 spells from each level that they want to be able to cast and then they can cast any combo of those spells X times per day.&nbsp; The player would also be able to change spells if they visited a temple.&nbsp; Their choice would still be limited by my (above) cleric spell list that eliminated over 110 spells from the list.So I'm editing the post!I still need to alter the presentation of the spells section.&nbsp; I may add spell cards that the player can reference without need of the PHB.&nbsp; In addition, spells will be rewritten so that they will require a minimum number of rolls (and the players will be doing the rolling).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BradfordFerguson, post: 4022188, member: 20048"] [b]Cleric 6[/b] Str 16 +3 (gained +2 STR @ level 2) Dex 10 Con 14 +2 Int 10 Wis 18 +4 (gained +2 WIS @ level 4) Cha 14 +2 HP: 45 Bloodied: 22 (1/2 HP total) AC: 23 (+4 vs giants?) Init: 0, Move: 20' Fort: 7, Refex: 3, Will: 9 [b]ATTACK[/b] full attack: +10 hit, 9 damage, x3 crit (masterwork warhammer) [b]SPECIAL[/b] Combat Caster: auto success combat casting Turn Undead x/day Domain Specials? Dwarf Specials? [b]SPELLS[/b] 3rd: 4/day: Bestow Curse, Dispel Magic, Remove Condition, Cure Serious Wounds 19 HP. 2nd: 5/day: Divine Gift, Resist Energy, Silence, Cure Moderate Wounds 15HP. 1st: 5/encounter: Divine Favor, Doom, Sanctuary, Cure Light Wounds 9HP. [b]SKILLS (trained)[/b] Piety +12 (know: religion, heal, spellcraft) Diplomacy +10 [b]EQUIPMENT[/b] half-plate? (whatever is +7), masterwork warhammer, large steel shield (unfinished) THOUGHTS: Maybe I should let the player pick a 1st-level spell that could be cast at will? Hmmm. After a night's sleep... The sample cleric feels a bit "safe" to me. The way I have set up spell use still feels "Vancian" to me. Nothing really screams cool, fun, AWESOME to me. :( I wonder if a cleric's spells should be set up similar to a sorcerer's. Here's how I would do it: each game session, the player can choose 3 spells from each level that they want to be able to cast and then they can cast any combo of those spells X times per day. The player would also be able to change spells if they visited a temple. Their choice would still be limited by my (above) cleric spell list that eliminated over 110 spells from the list. So I'm editing the post! I still need to alter the presentation of the spells section. I may add spell cards that the player can reference without need of the PHB. In addition, spells will be rewritten so that they will require a minimum number of rolls (and the players will be doing the rolling). [/QUOTE]

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