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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dis_pear" data-source="post: 7468805" data-attributes="member: 6964131">Put simply, the min-maxing aspect of character creation is not the particular challenge I'm looking for at this particular time for this particular group. Finding splat books and using them to create a character is a skill, sure, but it's a different kind of skill than in-character strategic and tactical decisions. Memorizing monster sheets/attack patterns/etc, though, is something I'd embrace.It's more toward the action side of action RPG, but it's still a game about playing the role of a character. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that character sheets are unnecessary because players of different skill levels perform differently.I'm not saying you're wrong, but I DMed 3.5 for several years with a few groups of experienced players and I never encountered one that was capable of taking down an awake adult dragon/Balor/Lich at level 3 or 4 if they're not playing Pun-Pun or a similar obviously broken build. I'm having a tough time envisioning how exactly that could happen given core rulebook characters with level-appropriate loot.</blockquote>