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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 1326494" data-attributes="member: 5890">Don't allow what?Do you bana) Tumbling while not walkingb) Tumbling while not using your primary form of movementc) Tumbling while flyingd) Tumbling while flying with a maneuverability of less than perfect?Saying "I ban it" doesn't constitute a rule - you have to specifically list WHAT you ban.Being allowed to use unique abilities of your character: FunNot being allowed to use unique abilities of your character: Not funWhile admittedly it is possible to run an engaging game with characters that are all identical and powerless, it's very very difficult to avoid the players getting the feeling that it doesn't matter what they do, because the DM is basically just narrating a story.While this is certainly a choice based upon individual playing style, your selection of D&D as a system suggests that you are interested in allowing players to contribute in a meaningful way and affect the world around them. To then strip away abilities with zero contribution to the story (ie - is it essential to the plot that a flying rogue cannot tumble?) is being more than a little silly.An air elemental with equal ranks in tumble can maneuver better than the rogue you list.Perfect maneuverability has a list of things it allows you to do, things that tumble CANNOT let you do.Perfect maneuverability allows you to turn on a dime in mid air. Good maneuverability requires 1 square of movement between each turn.Perfect maneuverability allows you to fly directly upwards at full speed. Good maneuverability requires you to move at half.Tumble lets you avoid melee strikes. That's it. That's all it does. It doesn't affect your movement in any other way.It certainly doesn't allow you to fly with perfect maneuverability.Finally - I'd certainly allow tumbling while swimming. It's just maneuvering around after all.As for burrowing - I'm hard pressed to imagine a situation where you NEED to tumble when burrowing, but I'd allow it. After all - most of the burrowing speeds are listed as 20 feet or more in 6 seconds, so these things are practically swimming through the earth anyway.</blockquote>

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