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<blockquote data-quote="Jimlock" data-source="post: 5558043" data-attributes="member: 6674931">Not only do I not understand this, but i also i don't see as to how this is an argument Vs Tolkien being the most substantial influence on D&amp;D.Putting stats on Gandalf is, at least, pointless, if one uses that to counter how Tolkien is the most substantial influence on D&amp;D.Tolkien was a writer not a game designer.&quot;The implied setting tone &amp; style&quot; ?Tolkien all the way...&quot;casting system, combat system, the reward system&quot; ?I repeat, Tolkien was a writer, not a game designer.That's perhaps how you play/see D&amp;D. My D&amp;D experience says otherwise. As a matter of fact there are endless&nbsp; D&amp;D &quot;High Fantasy Epic campaigns&quot; out there. No matter if this false, i still do not see how this can be an argument Vs Tolkien being the most substantial influence on D&amp;D.IMO you are turning away from the obvious. By finding &quot;THINGS&quot; that are not Tolkien-esque doesn't prove anything. Its only natural that D&amp;Dis not an exact copy of Tolkien. What one has to see is that there are more Tolkien-esque &quot;THINGS&quot; in D&amp;D than &quot;THiNGS&quot; than derive from other sources/influences.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jimlock, post: 5558043, member: 6674931"] Not only do I not understand this, but i also i don't see as to how this is an argument Vs Tolkien being the most substantial influence on D&D. Putting stats on Gandalf is, at least, pointless, if one uses that to counter how Tolkien is the most substantial influence on D&D. Tolkien was a writer not a game designer. "The implied setting tone & style" ? Tolkien all the way... "casting system, combat system, the reward system" ? I repeat, Tolkien was a writer, not a game designer. That's perhaps how you play/see D&D. My D&D experience says otherwise. As a matter of fact there are endless D&D "High Fantasy Epic campaigns" out there. No matter if this false, i still do not see how this can be an argument Vs Tolkien being the most substantial influence on D&D. IMO you are turning away from the obvious. By finding "THINGS" that are not Tolkien-esque doesn't prove anything. Its only natural that D&D is not an exact copy of Tolkien. What one has to see is that there are more Tolkien-esque "THINGS" in D&D than "THiNGS" than derive from other sources/influences. [/QUOTE]

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