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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WHW4" data-source="post: 5560266" data-attributes="member: 63382">I didn't mean it illustrates what it means to tumble. I meant it illustrates that what people consider to make sense is very subjective. In other words, we all have opinions and they differ.   Yes but this was something that came up right then and there, not a houserule we had discussed before hand or a setting contrivance that was agreed upon by the group. This was a kneejerk, "My badguy wants to hurt someone, you found a way to fight back that is backed up by the rules; therefore I disallow your tactic and hereby lay the smack down." I voiced my disagreement, showed him where their use as an improvised weapon was explicitly laid out in the text, then was overruled. I said "Agree to disagree, but I expect the badguys to be unable to do the same." That was that. When I make a character, I can only assume that what is printed in the book I create my character from is what I can expect out of him in actual play. I shouldn't have to pepper the GM with corner case what-ifs just to get an idea of what my character is capable of.Probably why I dislike most houserules myself.</blockquote>