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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5257026" data-attributes="member: 35909">I'll just argue that by the letter of the law, &quot;check separately for each opponent...&quot; doesn't have to mean &quot;roll a separate skill check.&quot;&nbsp; It could just as easily mean &quot;take your tumble result and check it against each DC.&quot;&nbsp; A &quot;check&quot; as a noun is a fairly well defined term in 3E.&nbsp; There's skill checks, ability checks, caster level checks...&nbsp; If it had said &quot;roll a check&quot; or &quot;make a check&quot; or some other version using check as a noun, RAW would be pretty case closed (and unreasonable, as you noted).&nbsp; But it uses check as a verb, and thus there is no definitive RAW interpretation.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />That's it for me trying to rules-lawyer, though. I stopped caring about absolute letter of the law RAW over basic common sense a long time ago, even if the silly interpretation is in fact RAW I don't even particularly care unless I end up with a DM who's stubborn about it.That logic actually is the RAW, in this case.&nbsp; Both <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#bullRush" target="_blank">Bull Rush</a> and <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#overrun" target="_blank">Overrun</a> are pretty explicit in stating that the AoO generated from using them is due to entering the opponent's space (which in turn means you're leaving a threatened square, since in D&amp;D you only provoke for leaving threatened squares, not entering them; if the foe had no melee weapon to attack you with, he wouldn't get the AoO anyway).&nbsp; Both offer the Improved feat for that maneuver to eliminate or lessen the AoOs you provoke for the movement to start the maneuver.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5257026, member: 35909"] I'll just argue that by the letter of the law, "check separately for each opponent..." doesn't have to mean "roll a separate skill check." It could just as easily mean "take your tumble result and check it against each DC." A "check" as a noun is a fairly well defined term in 3E. There's skill checks, ability checks, caster level checks... If it had said "roll a check" or "make a check" or some other version using check as a noun, RAW would be pretty case closed (and unreasonable, as you noted). But it uses check as a verb, and thus there is no definitive RAW interpretation. :) That's it for me trying to rules-lawyer, though. I stopped caring about absolute letter of the law RAW over basic common sense a long time ago, even if the silly interpretation is in fact RAW I don't even particularly care unless I end up with a DM who's stubborn about it. That logic actually is the RAW, in this case. Both [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#bullRush]Bull Rush[/url] and [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/specialAttacks.htm#overrun]Overrun[/url] are pretty explicit in stating that the AoO generated from using them is due to entering the opponent's space (which in turn means you're leaving a threatened square, since in D&D you only provoke for leaving threatened squares, not entering them; if the foe had no melee weapon to attack you with, he wouldn't get the AoO anyway). Both offer the Improved feat for that maneuver to eliminate or lessen the AoOs you provoke for the movement to start the maneuver. [/QUOTE]

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