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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 271197" data-attributes="member: 4937">No, the real ultimate problem here is that everyone is insisting on describing the problem in 5' spaces and steps as if reality was organized that way.  IMAGINE THE DAMN SITUATION IN YOUR HEAD AND STOP ARGUING ABOUT FIVE FOOT SPACES!!!  BRING THE FIGHT INTO A CONCRETE FORM BEFORE TRYING TO ABSTRACT IT OUT IN ORDER TO RESOLVE IT.  THE RULES ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP WITH ADJUDICATING THE REALITY, NOT CREATE A REALITY THAT CONFORMS TO THE RULES WITH ALL THIER FLAWS AND LIMITATIONS.  ARE WE ROLE PLAYERS ARE CHESS PLAYERS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD?  WHAT IN THE HECK IS UNREASONABLE ABOUT THIS DM'S REALITY WHATEVER THE RULES MAY SAY?  FIRST EDITION HAD ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS WITH THE RULES THAT HAVE BEEN CORRECTED IN THIRD EDITION.  ARE YOU THE SORT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE GOT PISSED WITH A DM FOR RULING THAT THE FIRST EDITION RULE WAS WRONG EVEN IF ULTIMATELY WHAT HE RULED WAS WHAT IS NOW THE CANONICAL RULE IN THIRD EDITION?  GOOD LORD, MAYBE IN FOURTH EDITION THIS WILL GET ADRESSED, BUT IN THE MEAN TIME WHO CARES WHAT THE RULES SAY.whew.  Ok, rant off.  It's late, and I'm remembering just how much I hate rules lawyering.I think the guy that asked if you were incorporeal had a real point, and I think that the DM is perfectly justified in blocking a 5' step under the same circumstances.  If you really want to get through a door that someone is trying to block, make a difficult tumble check (ei through the square), or grapple him and move him, or overrun him, or something.  All of this you can find rules for, but the idea is to find a rule that approximates the reality of the situation (There is a guy in a door and he doesn't want to let you through), not have the rules determine what the reality is.</blockquote>

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