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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 272366" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Common sense is often relative to point of view.</p><p></p><p>If a character can oppose another character from moving into his square from an adjacent non-diagonal square, then he merely has to move side to side upwards of 5 feet in order to accomplish this.</p><p></p><p>If a character can oppose another character from moving into his square from an adjacent diagonal square, then he has to move side to side upwards of 7.07 feet in order to accomplish this.</p><p></p><p>Flip the "squares" 45 degrees and then figure out how many opponents can hold a 35 foot wide corridor (say a 35 foot wide corridor that is 45 degrees off of main rooms).</p><p></p><p>If you do not flip the squares, then 7 people are required to hold a 35 foot wide corridor.</p><p></p><p>If you do flip the squares and use the any diagonal movement requires moving through a side square logic, then suddenly you have a new problem:</p><p></p><p>5 characters can hold a line 35 feet wide. In fact, even 4 characters can hold it (see diagram below).</p><p></p><p>"Common Sense"-wise, that makes no sense either.</p><p></p><p>But, that is what the argument that claims that Tumble is not allowed diagonally allows.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course, that problem is difficult to solve regardless of how you attempt to do it. You really cannot fit 7 characters diagonally across 5 squares in a 45 degree corridor.</p><p></p><p>The best you can probably do is place opponents in adjacent squares every other diagonal square to hold the line as per either of the following (depending on whether you are in a 4 space with half spaces or 5 space diagonal):</p><p></p><p></p><p>h - - - - - - - - - h * </p><p>* h - - - - - - - X X h *</p><p>* * h - - - - - X - - - h *</p><p>* * * h - - - X X - - - - h *</p><p>* * * * h - X - - - - - - Y h *</p><p>* * * * * h X - - - - - Y - - h *</p><p>* * * * * * h - - - - Y Y - - - h *</p><p>* * * * * * * h - - Y - - - - - - h *</p><p>* * * * * * * * h Y Y - - - - - - - h *</p><p>* * * * * * * * * h - - - - - - - - - h *</p><p></p><p>* = wall</p><p>h = half square</p><p>- = empty square</p><p>X = character where main line is 4 squares wide</p><p>Y = character where main line is 5 squares wide</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 272366, member: 2011"] Common sense is often relative to point of view. If a character can oppose another character from moving into his square from an adjacent non-diagonal square, then he merely has to move side to side upwards of 5 feet in order to accomplish this. If a character can oppose another character from moving into his square from an adjacent diagonal square, then he has to move side to side upwards of 7.07 feet in order to accomplish this. Flip the "squares" 45 degrees and then figure out how many opponents can hold a 35 foot wide corridor (say a 35 foot wide corridor that is 45 degrees off of main rooms). If you do not flip the squares, then 7 people are required to hold a 35 foot wide corridor. If you do flip the squares and use the any diagonal movement requires moving through a side square logic, then suddenly you have a new problem: 5 characters can hold a line 35 feet wide. In fact, even 4 characters can hold it (see diagram below). "Common Sense"-wise, that makes no sense either. But, that is what the argument that claims that Tumble is not allowed diagonally allows. Of course, that problem is difficult to solve regardless of how you attempt to do it. You really cannot fit 7 characters diagonally across 5 squares in a 45 degree corridor. The best you can probably do is place opponents in adjacent squares every other diagonal square to hold the line as per either of the following (depending on whether you are in a 4 space with half spaces or 5 space diagonal): h - - - - - - - - - h * * h - - - - - - - X X h * * * h - - - - - X - - - h * * * * h - - - X X - - - - h * * * * * h - X - - - - - - Y h * * * * * * h X - - - - - Y - - h * * * * * * * h - - - - Y Y - - - h * * * * * * * * h - - Y - - - - - - h * * * * * * * * * h Y Y - - - - - - - h * * * * * * * * * * h - - - - - - - - - h * * = wall h = half square - = empty square X = character where main line is 4 squares wide Y = character where main line is 5 squares wide [/QUOTE]
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