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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 4054121" data-attributes="member: 5122">It depends on your source, I guess.&nbsp; Just as two pop culture references, Kitty Pryde (from The X-Men) can't hold off Dracula with a cross ... she tried.&nbsp; (Although she could with a Star of David.&nbsp; She's Jewish.)&nbsp; In Stephen King's Salem's Lot, Father Callahan failed to hold off Barlow with a cross, because his faith was too weak.How they do the mechanics -- as long as they don't suck -- doesn't really matter to me, so I'd be fine with saying any True Believer who used a holy symbol of his faith could do it.&nbsp; But getting rid of the concept completely would be a bad idea.Isn't Van Helsing's counterpart in D&amp;D -- Van Richten, I think -- actually a cleric?&nbsp; Van Helsing didn't exist in a world where there are D&amp;D clerics, so who's to say that if he had, he wouldn't have been one?Sure.&nbsp; As long as they make it balanced and useful, it doesn't really matter to me how they do it.(Well, maybe a little.&nbsp; I'd -- as above -- suggest the True Believer feat (or similar) over Knowledge (religion).&nbsp; I do think that faith should be a component of the ability, and even the most corrupt and evil bastard in the world can have 20 ranks in Knowledge (religion) and pick up a symbol of Pelor.&nbsp; But should he then be able to turn a vampire?&nbsp; How about a vampire with Knowledge (religion) and a symbol of Pelor?&nbsp; Does he turn himself?&nbsp; Can he turn other vampires?)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 4054121, member: 5122"] It depends on your source, I guess. Just as two pop culture references, Kitty Pryde (from The X-Men) can't hold off Dracula with a cross ... she tried. (Although she could with a Star of David. She's Jewish.) In Stephen King's [i]Salem's Lot[/i], Father Callahan failed to hold off Barlow [i]with a cross[/i], because his faith was too weak. How they do the mechanics -- as long as they don't suck -- doesn't really matter to me, so I'd be fine with saying any True Believer who used a holy symbol of his faith could do it. But getting rid of the concept completely would be a bad idea. Isn't Van Helsing's counterpart in D&D -- Van Richten, I think -- actually a cleric? Van Helsing didn't exist in a world where there are D&D clerics, so who's to say that if he had, he wouldn't have been one? Sure. As long as they make it balanced and useful, it doesn't really matter to me how they do it. (Well, maybe a little. I'd -- as above -- suggest the True Believer feat (or similar) over Knowledge (religion). I do think that faith should be a component of the ability, and even the most corrupt and evil bastard in the world can have 20 ranks in Knowledge (religion) and pick up a symbol of Pelor. But should he then be able to turn a vampire? How about a vampire with Knowledge (religion) and a symbol of Pelor? Does he turn himself? Can he turn other vampires?) [/QUOTE]

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