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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 4738383" data-attributes="member: 463">What sort of house rules/changes would be necessary to turn 4e into a Simulation-based game, as opposed to the &quot;gamist&quot; game it currently is?My thinking is that you do this quite easily by returning to the Old Ways - by restoring randomness, and by letting the players choose how much risk to undertake.&nbsp; The megadungeon with threat &amp; reward level linked to depth.&nbsp; The sandbox wilderness environment where the biggest threats &amp; biggest treasures are at the edges of the map.1)&nbsp; Remove Treasure Packets. Standard gear/wealth by level is what typical PCs should acquire, but if they get less or more, no need to worry - if more, they can delve faster, quicker. If less, they'll just have to stay longer on the upper levels, and advance more slowly.&nbsp; 2)&nbsp; Completely re-write the costs of everything, keeping the world's economy in mind - (eg) the price of plate mailPCs who need (eg) plate can simply begin play with it (for the standard cost, a &quot;small donation&quot;), gifted it by their Church, Liege-Lord, or Family.&nbsp; For other PCs it's very expensive or unavailable.&nbsp; Do the same with other necessary goods.&nbsp; But don't sweat the small stuff.3)&nbsp; Remove many of the items that overcome some common difficulties:No, no reason to do this unless you want a grim n gritty game-world.&nbsp; For a world of heroic fantasy, everburning torches are fine.&nbsp;&nbsp; 4)&nbsp; Scale Mounts up:Agreed, no reason not to have them advance along with the rider.&nbsp; You can have bonded/legacy magic items that scale up with the PCs, likewise.&nbsp; For D&amp;D I prefer that to simply adding the bonuses to the PC's character.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 4738383, member: 463"] [I]What sort of house rules/changes would be necessary to turn 4e into a Simulation-based game, as opposed to the "gamist" game it currently is?[/I] My thinking is that you do this quite easily by returning to the Old Ways - by restoring randomness, and by [I][B]letting the players choose[/B][/I] how much risk to undertake. The megadungeon with threat & reward level linked to depth. The sandbox wilderness environment where the biggest threats & biggest treasures are at the edges of the map. [I]1) Remove Treasure Packets. [/I] Standard gear/wealth by level is what typical PCs should acquire, but if they get less or more, no need to worry - if more, they can delve faster, quicker. If less, they'll just have to stay longer on the upper levels, and advance more slowly. [I] 2) Completely re-write the costs of everything, keeping the world's economy in mind - (eg) the price of plate mail[/I] PCs who need (eg) plate can simply begin play with it (for the standard cost, a "small donation"), gifted it by their Church, Liege-Lord, or Family. For other PCs it's very expensive or unavailable. Do the same with other necessary goods. But don't sweat the small stuff. [I]3) Remove many of the items that overcome some common difficulties: [/I] No, no reason to do this unless you want a grim n gritty game-world. For a world of heroic fantasy, everburning torches are fine. [I]4) Scale Mounts up: [/I] Agreed, no reason not to have them advance along with the rider. You can have bonded/legacy magic items that scale up with the PCs, likewise. For D&D I prefer that to simply adding the bonuses to the PC's character. [/QUOTE]

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