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<blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus2" data-source="post: 3723410" data-attributes="member: 11586">Since when can a dragon's tail slap knock someone 10 feet back?&nbsp; That's a cool ability and all, and an interesting addition to 4E dragons, but it just seems very very similiar to the WoW dragon's Tail Sweep ability.&nbsp; So that's one coincidence.So now dragons apparently have the ability to spew a ball of fire which can ignite a person on fire.&nbsp; Again, cool new ability for 4E dragons, but look here again, the same WoW dragon has the same ability called Engulfing Flames.&nbsp; Yet another &quot;coincidence&quot;, right?Then it attacks BOTH the Cleric and the Fighter with it's two claws as a Standard Action.&nbsp; In 3E this would be a Full Round Action, but since we don't know the 4E rules, looks like they allowed some special Standard Action attack to make 2 claw attacks on (at least) 2 opponents (the Cleric and Fighter) at the same time.&nbsp; Ok, another cool addition to 4E dragons, something that wasn't in 3E.&nbsp; Well, look here at the WoW dragon.&nbsp; It has an ability called Cleave (not the same as D&amp;D mind you).&nbsp; What does it do?&nbsp; It hits all enemies in front of it with with a claw attack.&nbsp; Yet another coincidence?&nbsp; We're up to 3 now...Dragons breath fire, whether they are D&amp;D dragons or WoW dragons.&nbsp; Nothing new here.&nbsp; But the fact that it is now a Free Action just reeks of video &quot;combo attacks&quot;.What does the dragon do at the end of his attack sequence?&nbsp; He flies away out of reach (it happened to have a Move Action left, even though it took 2 standard actions and 2 free actions, all of which were attacks...&nbsp; c-c-c-combo!).&nbsp; So the dragon flies away, again, nothing new.&nbsp; The WoW dragon happens to do the same.I don't know, there are just too many &quot;coincidences&quot; regarding the two attack sequences between the WoW dragon and a 4E one.&nbsp; Plus it seems to me that the 4E one is pulling of your typical video game attack &quot;combo&quot;.Now I personally am not saying this is a BAD THING...&nbsp; I am just pointing out the coincidences, ones which I didn't see before when everyone was crying out &quot;4E is going to become WoW&quot;.&nbsp; I think those people do have some validity to their arguements.&nbsp; Whether it is a good or bad thing, I guess that's each person and gaming groups preference...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RigaMortus2, post: 3723410, member: 11586"] Since when can a dragon's tail slap knock someone 10 feet back? That's a cool ability and all, and an interesting addition to 4E dragons, but it just seems very very similiar to the WoW dragon's Tail Sweep ability. So that's one coincidence. So now dragons apparently have the ability to spew a ball of fire which can ignite a person on fire. Again, cool new ability for 4E dragons, but look here again, the same WoW dragon has the same ability called Engulfing Flames. Yet another "coincidence", right? Then it attacks BOTH the Cleric and the Fighter with it's two claws as a Standard Action. In 3E this would be a Full Round Action, but since we don't know the 4E rules, looks like they allowed some special Standard Action attack to make 2 claw attacks on (at least) 2 opponents (the Cleric and Fighter) at the same time. Ok, another cool addition to 4E dragons, something that wasn't in 3E. Well, look here at the WoW dragon. It has an ability called Cleave (not the same as D&D mind you). What does it do? It hits all enemies in front of it with with a claw attack. Yet another coincidence? We're up to 3 now... Dragons breath fire, whether they are D&D dragons or WoW dragons. Nothing new here. But the fact that it is now a Free Action just reeks of video "combo attacks". What does the dragon do at the end of his attack sequence? He flies away out of reach (it happened to have a Move Action left, even though it took 2 standard actions and 2 free actions, all of which were attacks... c-c-c-combo!). So the dragon flies away, again, nothing new. The WoW dragon happens to do the same. I don't know, there are just too many "coincidences" regarding the two attack sequences between the WoW dragon and a 4E one. Plus it seems to me that the 4E one is pulling of your typical video game attack "combo". Now I personally am not saying this is a BAD THING... I am just pointing out the coincidences, ones which I didn't see before when everyone was crying out "4E is going to become WoW". I think those people do have some validity to their arguements. Whether it is a good or bad thing, I guess that's each person and gaming groups preference... [/QUOTE]

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