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<blockquote data-quote="Veilheim" data-source="post: 17300" data-attributes="member: 2048">Last weekend, for about the fourth time since starting to play 3e, my group and I started struggling with the turning mechanic used by clerics.&nbsp; I wanted to bounce this off of people and see if you see any glaring errors.&nbsp; Modified Turning RulesTurning undead is a supernatural ability that a cleric or paladin can perform as a standard action.&nbsp; It does not provoke attacks of opportunity.&nbsp; You must present a holy symbol to turn undead.&nbsp; Turning is considered an attack.&nbsp; Turning is resolved using an Opposed Check of the Cleric's capability and the Undead's turn resistance. Times per day:&nbsp; You may attempt to turn undead a number of times per day equal to 3 + CHR modifier.&nbsp; This number may be increased using the extra turning feat. Range:&nbsp; The range of a turning attempt is a CLOSE radius (25').&nbsp; The range increases by 5' for every two Cleric levels or every four Paladin levels. Turning Check:&nbsp; The first step of the turning attempt is to establish how powerful the undead is.&nbsp; This establishes a DC for the turning check.&nbsp; An undead creature has a turn resistance equal to 10+HD+Any Levels of Turn Resistance.&nbsp; Thus, a WIGHT would have a turn resistance score of 10+5+2=DC17. The Cleric or Paladin rolls against this DC for each undead creature they can see which is in the radius of the turning attempt.&nbsp; The roll made is 1D20+Level+CHR Modifier.&nbsp; Paladins add one for every two complete levels, rather than their level, to the attempt.&nbsp; Use the variant Degrees of Success (DMG pg 91) to compare the results:Less than DC&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; No EffectDC or Above&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Undead creature halts and will&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; not close any further with the &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; cleric.&nbsp; They will not attack the cleric,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; and are &quot;demoralized&quot;, suffering a &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -2 circumstance bonus to all actions&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; for the remainder of the combat.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; (Not cumulative).&nbsp; DC +10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Undead creature immediately flees&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; the area of the cleric and the combat&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; though they still suffer the -2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; circumstance bonus. Effect lasts for &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10 minutes.&nbsp; If they cannot flee, they &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; will cower.DC +20&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The undead creature is immediately &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; destroyed. Anyone see this blowing up in my face?&nbsp; If so, how come?&nbsp; Thanks in advance, Veilheim</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Veilheim, post: 17300, member: 2048"] Last weekend, for about the fourth time since starting to play 3e, my group and I started struggling with the turning mechanic used by clerics. I wanted to bounce this off of people and see if you see any glaring errors. Modified Turning Rules Turning undead is a supernatural ability that a cleric or paladin can perform as a standard action. It does not provoke attacks of opportunity. You must present a holy symbol to turn undead. Turning is considered an attack. Turning is resolved using an Opposed Check of the Cleric's capability and the Undead's turn resistance. Times per day: You may attempt to turn undead a number of times per day equal to 3 + CHR modifier. This number may be increased using the extra turning feat. Range: The range of a turning attempt is a CLOSE radius (25'). The range increases by 5' for every two Cleric levels or every four Paladin levels. Turning Check: The first step of the turning attempt is to establish how powerful the undead is. This establishes a DC for the turning check. An undead creature has a turn resistance equal to 10+HD+Any Levels of Turn Resistance. Thus, a WIGHT would have a turn resistance score of 10+5+2=DC17. The Cleric or Paladin rolls against this DC for each undead creature they can see which is in the radius of the turning attempt. The roll made is 1D20+Level+CHR Modifier. Paladins add one for every two complete levels, rather than their level, to the attempt. Use the variant Degrees of Success (DMG pg 91) to compare the results: Less than DC No Effect DC or Above Undead creature halts and will not close any further with the cleric. They will not attack the cleric, and are "demoralized", suffering a -2 circumstance bonus to all actions for the remainder of the combat. (Not cumulative). DC +10 Undead creature immediately flees the area of the cleric and the combat though they still suffer the -2 circumstance bonus. Effect lasts for 10 minutes. If they cannot flee, they will cower. DC +20 The undead creature is immediately destroyed. Anyone see this blowing up in my face? If so, how come? Thanks in advance, Veilheim [/QUOTE]

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