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<blockquote data-quote="CuriousBard" data-source="post: 20515" data-attributes="member: 1923">Ok, this may take the discussion onto a tangent (at least for the duration of this comment alone)...and I've seen the basic concept of it posted somewhere else on a different thread idea...but what if the Turning Power of Clerics was treated in a similar vein as the Paladin's Lay on of Hands ability when it comes to attacking Undead with it?Basically say a Cleric is able to apply &quot;Positive Energy Levels&quot; to undead......in essence the reverse of what those nasty suckers do to us.&nbsp; Every Positive Level effectively reduces an Undead's HD total by 1, makes them -1 on all their checks, etc.Now a Cleric would have a choice....he could use his power to Blast a single target, or use an Aura effect that drives out such creatures from his presence.1).&nbsp; If he targets a single creature, the total Positive Energy Levels are applied against the creature.&nbsp; If it brings the creature to 0 HD, then it is effectively destroyed.2).&nbsp; If the Cleric sets up an Aura, the effect could be something like a 20-30+ft radius spreading out from him.&nbsp; All Undead in the area could feel the effects of the Positive Energy and one of three things would happen at this point.&nbsp; Either the creature can stay but operates at a lower HD, it is forced to leave the area of effect, or it is totally destroyed.In the same way, an evil Cleric channeling Negative Energy would use his energy to dominate undead...reducing the undead's effective HD against him, commanding them to withdraw, or enslaving them outright.Now I don't have any ideas worked out as to how to calculate the rolls or HD effected or how to split it all up, etc.&nbsp; This is just an idea that hit me right this moment as I'm reading this.&nbsp; Mull it over if you like.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CuriousBard, post: 20515, member: 1923"] Ok, this may take the discussion onto a tangent (at least for the duration of this comment alone)...and I've seen the basic concept of it posted somewhere else on a different thread idea...but what if the Turning Power of Clerics was treated in a similar vein as the Paladin's Lay on of Hands ability when it comes to attacking Undead with it? Basically say a Cleric is able to apply "Positive Energy Levels" to undead......in essence the reverse of what those nasty suckers do to us. Every Positive Level effectively reduces an Undead's HD total by 1, makes them -1 on all their checks, etc. Now a Cleric would have a choice....he could use his power to Blast a single target, or use an Aura effect that drives out such creatures from his presence. 1). If he targets a single creature, the total Positive Energy Levels are applied against the creature. If it brings the creature to 0 HD, then it is effectively destroyed. 2). If the Cleric sets up an Aura, the effect could be something like a 20-30+ft radius spreading out from him. All Undead in the area could feel the effects of the Positive Energy and one of three things would happen at this point. Either the creature can stay but operates at a lower HD, it is forced to leave the area of effect, or it is totally destroyed. In the same way, an evil Cleric channeling Negative Energy would use his energy to dominate undead...reducing the undead's effective HD against him, commanding them to withdraw, or enslaving them outright. Now I don't have any ideas worked out as to how to calculate the rolls or HD effected or how to split it all up, etc. This is just an idea that hit me right this moment as I'm reading this. Mull it over if you like. [/QUOTE]

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