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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grayhawk" data-source="post: 1803285" data-attributes="member: 11288">jerichothebard, thanks for running those calculations. Without Excel I can't check it out, though. If you come up with a more fitting result of a turning than the undead fleeing, let me know!Mouseferatu, thanks for looking this overI both agree and disagree with this. While my proposed mechanic may seem somewhat complicated at first read through, I'm pretty confident it would be pretty simple in play. Of course, it would be a good idea to figure out the various undead's turn DC before hand (like suggested in UA). Now, I'll grant that this mechanic has a possibility of requiring more rolls than the core turning does, but how often are your undead opponents comprised of more than 2 or 3 different types?You may even have big undead battles with many different undead types, but how many of these will be cramping together in the 30 feet radius I've reduced the turning range to?Compared to the (to me) clunky and unintuitive turning of the core rules, with it's table to have to look up every time, my way will propably see turning checks resolved faster.Besides, I feel that a turning check that smacks more of an attack roll will be much more satisfying to the Cleric's player, than the arbitrary check he currently makes.And since each turning check not only dictates whether that particular undead type is turned but also dictates whether the Cleric may continue rolling for the tougher undead within range, I can see a lot of tension riding on these rolls. And as such, I don't mind a couple of them per turning attempt.And since the number of turnings per day have been reduced to 3, it'll even happen less often.This would obviously eliminate a roll, but as I much prefer a 'd20 +level +Cha vs a set DC' kind of mechanic, it's not for me. Besides, you'd still need to look up that table to get your result.I agree. This is why I included the part about you not being able to turn any single undead with more HD than twice your level (remember to add an undead's turn resistance when making this comparison).Obviously, this needs playtesting. Both to see if it indeed makes turning smoother and more interesting to the player (as I believe it will), but also to see if it is balanced.Here's a couple of balance issues that I would like some thoughts on:Does the 'max HD of a single undead turned = twice Cleric's level' scale too fast? Should it be capped at Cleric's level +4 or maybe Cleric's level +Wis modifier?Is the boost in turning power balanced by the fewer attempts per day and the shorter range? Should the range be a cone instead of a burst, to limit the effect?Should turning be a full round action?Basically, which of these would you impliment to make this variant a balanced one?</blockquote>

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