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<blockquote data-quote="freyar" data-source="post: 3683699" data-attributes="member: 40227"><p>Specifically, the requirements for the Dragonsong Lyrist (<em>Draconomicon</em>). I have a player who will be starting as a dragon shaman and wants to get into this PrC (in a campaign that I'm guessing will probably end around 10th level). The entry requirements for dragonsong lyrist are as follows:</p><p></p><p>Alignment: any nonevil</p><p>Feat: Dragonsong (also from <em>Draconomicon</em>; I'm sure you could have guessed that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )</p><p>Skills: Concentration 5 ranks, Diplomacy 5 ranks, Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks, Perform (oratory or singing) 5 ranks</p><p>Language: Draconic</p><p></p><p>The requirements for Dragonsong are a subset of those except for requiring Cha 13. Dragon shaman does not allow any of those skills on its class list normally, which would mean it would take until level 17 for the dragon shaman to qualify as a dragonsong lyrist (which is too bad, since dragon shaman seems to fit with this mechanically as well as bard does).</p><p></p><p>Here's what I want to do:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Let the dragon shaman take a battle dragon as her totem, which gets perform as a class skill (battle dragons, from <em>Dra</em>, always have perform as a class skill).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">By DM fiat, declare that the battle dragon also has Diplomacy as a class skill (since true dragons usually get 3 class skills beyond those listed for all dragons, and the battle dragon only has one). Given the battle dragon's entry, this makes some sense to me (as does Ride). This way, the dragon shaman gets Diplomacy as a class skill, also.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Switch the dragon shaman class skill from Knowledge (nature) to Knowledge (arcana). This also makes sense, since the Kn. (arcana) is the appropriate skill for dragons (why is it nature, anyway?).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Drop the Concentration requirement. Dragon shamans don't get many skill points, and I don't really see where concentration is important for the dragonsong lyrist. The key class ability is Greater Dragonsong, which specifically mentions that it does not require concentration.</li> </ul><p></p><p>Is this still "balanced"? Should I add another feat requirement to make up for dropping the Concentration requirement? Or should I just get the player to take a dip into bard at some point? Thanks!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="freyar, post: 3683699, member: 40227"] Specifically, the requirements for the Dragonsong Lyrist ([i]Draconomicon[/i]). I have a player who will be starting as a dragon shaman and wants to get into this PrC (in a campaign that I'm guessing will probably end around 10th level). The entry requirements for dragonsong lyrist are as follows: Alignment: any nonevil Feat: Dragonsong (also from [i]Draconomicon[/i]; I'm sure you could have guessed that ;) ) Skills: Concentration 5 ranks, Diplomacy 5 ranks, Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks, Perform (oratory or singing) 5 ranks Language: Draconic The requirements for Dragonsong are a subset of those except for requiring Cha 13. Dragon shaman does not allow any of those skills on its class list normally, which would mean it would take until level 17 for the dragon shaman to qualify as a dragonsong lyrist (which is too bad, since dragon shaman seems to fit with this mechanically as well as bard does). Here's what I want to do: [list][*]Let the dragon shaman take a battle dragon as her totem, which gets perform as a class skill (battle dragons, from [i]Dra[/i], always have perform as a class skill). [*]By DM fiat, declare that the battle dragon also has Diplomacy as a class skill (since true dragons usually get 3 class skills beyond those listed for all dragons, and the battle dragon only has one). Given the battle dragon's entry, this makes some sense to me (as does Ride). This way, the dragon shaman gets Diplomacy as a class skill, also. [*]Switch the dragon shaman class skill from Knowledge (nature) to Knowledge (arcana). This also makes sense, since the Kn. (arcana) is the appropriate skill for dragons (why is it nature, anyway?). [*]Drop the Concentration requirement. Dragon shamans don't get many skill points, and I don't really see where concentration is important for the dragonsong lyrist. The key class ability is Greater Dragonsong, which specifically mentions that it does not require concentration.[/list] Is this still "balanced"? Should I add another feat requirement to make up for dropping the Concentration requirement? Or should I just get the player to take a dip into bard at some point? Thanks! [/QUOTE]
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