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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 5795886" data-attributes="member: 158">Separate argument, and OLD argument, but I disagree. I do believe every character should not be impeded from being "talky" via class, but That doesn't mean that shy players are pushed because they're a talky class.Now, if you didn't want any limelight, don't take any diplomacy/bluff/intimidate or whatever is equivalent. If you the player want to be "talky", DO spend some of your character resources and take it. Don't cheat the system by optimizing yourself for something else totally, sit there with a 10 CHA and zero skill in bluff, and and try to game your personal talents to "talk your way" past an NPC. If you are personally withdrawn, you took those diplomacy skills for a reason, probably to fantasize yourself as a suave person, and far be it from me to dissuade you because another person at the table is more personally magnetizing.Anyway, that's how I see it. In Pathfinder, I like that even a dense fighter can be a pretty smooth talker, he's just not quite as good at it as the bard, but he's no slouch, like he would be in 3E, doubly penalized by both lack of skill points and cross-class penalties.In truth, I think this belongs in a different thread though.</blockquote>