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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Creeping Death" data-source="post: 2742418" data-attributes="member: 253">Oh my, sounds a little like hair-splitting to me.  There are specific rules for everything here.  Attacking with a fist, secondary attack, should tell the DM before so appropriate twf modifiers can apply..... Unarmed attack, presumably without the proper feats, AoO.  Improvised weapons also have their own penalties along with twf in this case.  The rules already very specifically cover sword and board and using said board for defense or for offense.I like the imagry here though:Knight in shining armor, "Come on Princess", as he grabs her hand and starts running down the hall.  Suddenly a lonely orc jumps out in front of him.Now we have a problem.  Does the Princess, whose hand he is holding, count as a weapon.  How much damage would she do?  I mean, is he even strong enough to wield her?  What if she is severely over weight? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Let's be logical or better yet be simple (easy).  Holding two weapons (used or not) = TWF <= this makes life simple.  Holding a weapon and something else that can't be used as a weapon not TWF.Holding a weapon and something else that could be used as a weapon not TWF unless it is used as a weapon.Holding a weapon and a shield, follow the RAW.Holding a weapon and a shield using the shield to bash, follow the RAW.Holding a weapon and nothing else, follow the RAW.Holding a weapon and using your fist as an off hand (secondary) attack, follow the RAW.</blockquote>

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